Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar
Date	2016-11-18 14:44 +0100
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On 18/11/16 13:44, jacobnavia wrote:
> Le 18/11/2016 à 13:16, David Brown a écrit :
>> When you try to make it look like the sole documentation and information
>> for megabytes of code is 1256 bytes of text, you are completely wrong -
>> and insultingly wrong.
> 
> Go to the Parsing chapter in the gcc internal documentation
> There you will find 1256 bytes of text to explain how parsing is done.
> The rest is TO DO or BUGS items.
> 
> See it at
> https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gccint/Parsing-pass.html#Parsing-pass
> 
> Parsing represents megabytes of code, it is not all gcc of course, but
> it is surely a big part of it.

So what?

No one expects you to understand the details of how gcc parses a
language from reading that one page.  It's just a little bit of information.

If you want to understand how it works, you are expected to study the
source code.  It is complicated, but it is commented and uses
descriptive names from most functions, enumerated types, etc.  You will
also want to study the documentation for GIMPLE and GENERIC, the
internal tree structures used to hold the code in various stages through
the compiler.

Compilers are complicated programs.  /Big/ compilers are /very/
complicated programs.  If you want to get involved in developing gcc, it
means joining the gcc development community, making a lot of effort
searching and studying the code and documentation (on-line, off-line,
mailing list archives, etc.), and talking to the people who know about
how things work.

> 
> For all that there is only 1256 bytes of text. But it is impossible to
> discuss with you since you do not read what *I* wrote but you read only
> what thompson wrote about what I wrote!
> 
> Please read my answer to thompson and then judge yourself.
> 

I read what you wrote - and it was your attitude towards Keith that
prompted me to post in the first place.  Usually I just ignore your
anti-gcc rants, but I find the way you address Keith to be totally
unjustified.

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Experimental languages/features for C or similar Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 03:07 -0800
  Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-08 13:25 +0100
    Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 05:47 -0800
      Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-08 21:03 +0100
        Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 12:10 -0800
          Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-08 21:17 +0100
            Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 13:27 -0800
              Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-09 11:19 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-09 03:00 -0800
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-09 09:04 -0800
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-09 09:57 -0800
  Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 05:16 -0800
    Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-08 06:22 -0800
      Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 06:52 -0800
        Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 07:08 -0800
          Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-08 07:47 -0800
      Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 08:13 -0800
        Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 08:48 -0800
        Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-17 03:21 -0800
  Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 22:16 +0800
    Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 08:00 -0800
      Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-11-09 00:13 +0800
        Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar supercat@casperkitty.com - 2016-11-08 08:41 -0800
          Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-08 08:50 -0800
            Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2016-11-08 17:10 +0000
  Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-08 19:06 +0100
  Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Andreas <nospam@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-08 21:43 +0100
  Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar luser droog <luser.droog@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 12:29 -0800
    Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Thiago Adams <thiago.adams@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 02:35 -0800
    Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar BartC <bc@freeuk.com> - 2016-11-11 10:43 +0000
      Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-17 20:15 +0100
        Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-17 11:59 -0800
          Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-17 22:27 +0100
            Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-17 22:45 +0100
            Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-17 14:28 -0800
              Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-18 00:13 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-17 15:37 -0800
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 09:29 +0000
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-18 21:59 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2016-11-18 21:14 +0000
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-18 22:38 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-18 11:26 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2016-11-18 08:56 -0800
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-18 08:16 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-18 11:42 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-18 13:16 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-18 12:23 +0000
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                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-18 14:24 +0000
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                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jameskuyper@verizon.net - 2016-11-18 11:42 -0800
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2016-11-19 20:37 +0000
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                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-18 13:46 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-18 13:44 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-18 14:44 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-19 01:16 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-19 15:43 +0100
                Re: Experimental languages/features for C or similar jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-11-19 18:13 +0100
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