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| From | Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design |
| Subject | Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) |
| Date | 2016-11-13 13:52 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <o0acoa$fi4$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (11 earlier) <tXMVz.106575$UM.37236@fx40.am4> <o7af2chd57ee38gmbjvunbgc3rs8rh178i@4ax.com> <pvVVz.115983$EP.73828@fx23.am4> <a974ad0b-43b3-d30f-b6ff-1e3820afd5af@electrooptical.net> <ri2Wz.120032$UM.85864@fx40.am4> |
On 11/13/2016 01:29 PM, Tom Gardner wrote: >> On 13/11/16 17:00, Phil Hobbs wrote:> On 11/13/2016 03:29 AM, Tom Gardner wrote: >>> On 12/11/16 23:47, krw wrote: >>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 22:44:42 +0000, Tom Gardner >>>> <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 12/11/16 22:19, krw wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 18:46:46 +0100, Gerhard Hoffmann >>>>>> <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Am 12.11.2016 um 16:03 schrieb krw: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Snipping the rest shows that you're not even interested in >>>>>>>> learning. Rather, you're interested in hating the >>>>>>>> religious. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I open my eyes and look at the world, by far the biggest >>>>>>> group of haters are the religious. >>>>>> >>>>>> No, you're just projecting your hate on them. >>>>> >>>>> What do you think Christ meant in Luke 14:26? >>>>> >>>>> Seems explicit and unambiguous to me. >>>> >>>> Why would you think I know? ...or particularly care? >>>> >>>> OK, I looked it up. All that's there is that one's religion >>>> (God/Jesus, depending on your denomination) comes first, even >>>> before family. Did you have a point? >>> >>> You really do have comprehension problems, and/or a remarkable >>> ability to turn a blind eye to things you don't want to see. >>> >>> That verse requires Christ's disciples *hate* their family etc. Not >>> dislike, not distrust, not have second priority, but *hate*. >>> >>> Luke14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not *hate* father and >>> mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters—yes, even their own >>> life—such a person cannot be my disciple. >>> >>> (My *emphasis*) >>> >>> >> You misunderstand. >> >> All over Scripture, we're commanded to love our neighbour as ourselves, >> and God's love for us is likened to both the love of parents for >> children and (surprisingly) eros--the Church is called the Bride of Christ. >> >> Jesus was using normal rabbinical hyperbole to emphasize that we have to >> love God more than anything or anyone else. That's the teaching of the >> Church from earliest times as well. >> >> The passage you're misquoting is Luke 14:25-26. Jesus is being followed >> by large crowds, and he's teaching them that there's more to >> discipleship than that: following him involves letting go of the whole >> world. The pericope reads in full: >> >> Luke 14:25 Now great multitudes accompanied him; and he turned and said >> to them, >> >> Luke 14:26 "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and >> mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his >> own life, he cannot be my disciple. >> >> Luke 14:27 Whoever does not bear his own cross and come after me, cannot >> be my disciple. >> >> Luke 14:28 For which of you, desiring to build a tower, does not first >> sit down and count the cost, whether he has enough to complete it? >> >> Luke 14:29 Otherwise, when he has laid a foundation, and is not able to >> finish, all who see it begin to mock him, >> >> Luke 14:30 saying, 'This man began to build, and was not able to finish.' >> >> Luke 14:31 Or what king, going to encounter another king in war, will >> not sit down first and take counsel whether he is able with ten thousand >> to meet him who comes against him with twenty thousand? >> >> Luke 14:32 And if not, while the other is yet a great way off, he sends >> an embassy and asks terms of peace. >> >> Luke 14:33 So therefore, whoever of you does not renounce all that he >> has cannot be my disciple. >> >> >> He says the same sort of thing quite a lot, e.g. in the parables of the >> buried treasure and the pearl of great price: >> >> Matthew 13:44 "The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, >> which a man found and covered up; then in his joy he goes and sells all >> that he has and buys that field. >> >> Matthew 13:45 "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant in search >> of fine pearls, >> >> Matthew 13:46 who, on finding one pearl of great value, went and sold >> all that he had and bought it. >> >> Heaven lasts forever, and is God's free gift to us--all we have to do is >> to say 'yes' and mean it. It's just that meaning it means valuing the >> gift at its true worth, which is far more than everything else we have. >> It's not that we shouldn't love our families, or save for the future, >> or have a good time, not at all. Loving God makes us love our earthly >> families more, not less. But all those things have to come second. >> >> You see, it's fatally easy to delude ourselves into thinking that we're >> disciples of Christ, and then discover too late that we were really >> holding on to something else more tightly--pride, security, hatred, >> self-righteousness, our houses, the good opinion of our family and >> friends, lots of things--so that we hadn't really said 'yes' at all. >> >> God doesn't want our stuff, he wants _us_, because he loves us. That's why it's the Good News. (Snippage restored.) > > So presumably He is also using rabbinical hyperbole > in many other cases too, e.g. > Mark 12:31 ... ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ... You presume a lot. ;) I didn't say "invariable rabbinic hyperbole", just that it's a rhetorical trope. > > I must admit that is convenient, since it means > that I can interpret the Bible in just about any > way that suits my purposes. You seem to be doing that already. How about cutting it up into ransom notes? Then you could have new vocabulary as well. "Oh look, I found curse words in the Bible!" ;) Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
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