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Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO)

From rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO)
Date 2016-11-12 22:38 -0500
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On 11/12/2016 3:21 PM, John S wrote:
> On 11/12/2016 12:33 PM, rickman wrote:
>> On 11/11/2016 1:42 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>> On 11/11/2016 01:41 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>> krw <krw@somewhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> No, they are not all equivalent.  Religion in particular can not be
>>>>>>> proven or disproven.  It is constructed to be so, but that does
>>>>>>> not make
>>>>>>> it "bizarre".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course a good scientist tries to find a theory that is as
>>>>>> minimalistic
>>>>>> as possible to explain the observed facts.
>>>>>> Having a book of extra theory that does not contribute to proof is
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> what a good scientist should strive for.
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem with your theory is that "science" doesn't, and can't,
>>>>> explain everything.  It can only reveal one level of the onion at a
>>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> But in the past, every time when a scientist found a scientific
>>>> explanation
>>>> of something that was previously attributed "to God", it turned out
>>>> that
>>>> that attribution was wrong.  Everything up to now suggests that given
>>>> enough time, there will be an explanation for everything and all the
>>>> previously written religious explanations will be disproven.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime, of course people still believe otherwise.
>>>
>>>
>>> That "God of the gaps" bit is a canard.  Knowing a bit about how God
>>> does things doesn't mean it isn't Him doing it.  Even my Sunday school
>>> kids understood that.
>>
>> As I said, God is constructed to be neither provable or disprovable.
>> Anytime a proof that God doesn't exist is developed, the definition of
>> God is adjusted to be again unprovable.  This has happened enough times
>> that there are no known proofs that God does not exist... except this
>> one.
>>
>> If God is all powerful, can he create a rock so large that he can't lift
>> it?  If God can, then God is not all powerful because God can't lift it.
>>  If God can't, then God is not all powerful because he can't create it.
>>  This at least proves God is not all powerful.
>
> That's an old trick question. Can you yourself create an object so large
> that you can't lift it? Of course. Say like a ton of concrete. But then,
> you create a hoist that can lift it. What is the answer then?

42?


> This is similar to the old irresistible force and the immovable object
> conundrum.
>
> BTW, I am an agnostic.

It's not a trick.  It's a clear example that an all powerful god can not 
exist.  It is a self contradiction that comes directly from the idea of 
an all powerful god.

This was debated on a show called "Closer to Truth".  One religious 
scholar rationalized this by saying that God had the power to create an 
object too heavy for himself to lift, but as long as he didn't create 
it, there was no contradiction.  I think that is not a very good way to 
deal with this issue.

-- 

Rick C

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NASA’s most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) gray_wolf <g_wolf@nospam.com> - 2016-11-04 13:04 -0500
  Re: NASA’s most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-04 20:23 +0000
    Re: NASA’s most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> - 2016-11-04 18:24 -0400
    Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2016-11-05 11:34 -0400
      Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-08 09:51 +0000
        Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-08 14:59 +0000
        Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2016-11-09 02:33 -0500
          Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-09 18:03 -0500
            Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-10 08:08 +0000
              Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-10 09:29 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-10 10:03 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-10 10:27 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-10 03:54 -0800
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-10 14:23 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-10 14:41 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-10 16:06 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-10 12:53 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 13:40 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-10 19:24 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-10 19:33 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2016-11-11 13:23 +0100
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-11 17:12 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-11 12:48 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-11 18:17 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-11 13:20 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-11-11 13:29 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2016-11-12 01:57 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-14 11:26 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-11 18:41 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-11-11 13:42 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 13:33 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) John S <Sophi.2@invalid.org> - 2016-11-12 14:21 -0600
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 22:38 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Phil Hobbs <pcdhobbs@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 13:52 -0800
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 22:49 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-11 17:59 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-12 09:05 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 09:41 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-12 14:57 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 10:03 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2016-11-12 18:46 +0100
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2016-11-12 13:46 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-12 19:30 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2016-11-13 00:56 +0100
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 17:19 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-12 22:44 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 18:47 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-13 08:29 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-11-13 12:00 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-13 18:29 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> - 2016-11-13 13:52 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-13 19:22 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 19:36 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-15 00:47 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2016-11-15 04:47 +0100
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-13 18:06 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-13 23:53 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-13 19:59 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 22:53 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-13 08:31 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-13 09:25 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-13 17:29 -0800
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-14 17:36 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-15 00:08 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-13 08:49 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Gerhard Hoffmann <ghf@hoffmann-hochfrequenz.de> - 2016-11-13 01:10 +0100
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 19:47 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-12 17:56 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 17:20 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-11-13 00:50 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 20:06 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-11-13 01:50 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-13 18:08 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-13 17:34 -0800
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-12 18:44 -0800
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-13 09:20 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-13 18:09 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-14 08:44 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-14 09:36 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-11-14 12:21 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) bill.sloman@ieee.org - 2016-11-14 16:55 -0800
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) "Tom Del Rosso" <fizzbintuesday@that-google-mail-domain.com> - 2016-11-12 13:44 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> - 2016-11-13 09:00 +1100
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-12 17:21 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) M Philbrook <jamie_ka1lpa@charter.net> - 2016-11-13 10:46 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-13 18:10 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 22:55 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 13:29 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-12 20:15 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 13:26 -0500
              Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@nowhere.com> - 2016-11-10 13:02 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Martin Brown <|||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk> - 2016-11-11 17:49 +0000
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) krw <krw@somewhere.com> - 2016-11-11 13:00 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> - 2016-11-12 13:36 -0500
                Re: NASA's most advanced telescope complete after 20 years (PHOTO) Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> - 2016-11-12 19:34 +0000
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