Re: [OT]

From	David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: [OT]
Date	2016-10-21 17:42 +0200
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On 21/10/16 17:13, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
> On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 11:06:52 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
>> On 21/10/16 16:15, Rick C. Hodgin wrote:
>>> On Friday, October 21, 2016 at 9:23:19 AM UTC-4, David Brown wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>> Christians are told by the Bible to remain true to their faiths even if
>>>> people hate them for it, which is fair enough.  But they are /not/ told
>>>> that this hatred is a sign that they are doing the right thing - in
>>>> reality, it is a sign that they are not being successful at "spreading
>>>> the word".
>>>
>>> You are dead wrong, David.  Literally.
>>>
>>>      http://biblehub.com/kjv/matthew/10-22.htm
>>>      22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that
>>>         endureth to the end shall be saved.
>>
>> Look, this is a /warning/ - not a /command/.  You are supposed to keep
>> your faith even if you are hated.  You are not being commanded to make
>> people hate you so that you will be saved!
>>
>> I know it is hard to apply logic to supernatural beliefs, but you have
>> got this [backwards].
>
> It is the gospel message itself that people hate, David.
>

Is /that/ what you think?  No, most people don't care a whit for 
whatever message happens to be written in some old book, unless they are 
already part of that religion (in which case it seems really important 
to them).

What people hate is when someone goes on and on about the same thing 
endlessly, with the absurd belief in proof by repetition.  They hate 
sanctimonious holier than thou attitudes.  They hate being told that 
they are evil, possessed by the devil, or simply condemned to hell for 
something that an imaginary person did thousands of years ago.  They 
hate being told that this condemnation for other people's mistakes is 
all by a "loving" and "just" god who demands our worship for the 
privilege of escaping eternal punishment for other people being caught 
in his entrapment.

When this goes on long enough, people begin to hate the /person/ spewing 
this irritating nonsense.

And of course, /real/ Christians - people who understand Jesus' message 
of /love/, /compassion/, /empathy/ and not just selected out-of-context 
and out-of-scale Biblical passages about hell, damnation, and hatred - 
they also hate such preaching and screeching because it gives 
Christianity and Christians a bad name, and chases potential converts 
away from their faith.

> When believers step up and teach the gospel message, they are hated by
> those who don't believe because the gospel message is offensive to our
> flesh.  The gospel says we are not in control, but our flesh wants to
> be in control of all things.  The gospel teaches we must humble ourself
> before God, but our flesh wants to be God and make its own way.

You have been watching too many horror movies.  Do you also think that 
waving crosses at people will cause their daemons to cry out?

>
> No matter how delicately the message is brought forth, when the reality
> of the significant need of salvation for all people manifests itself in
> a believer, and they then realize the weight of it and go forward to
> speak to be people from the authority the Lord gives them in being bold
> for the faith, it will come across to non-believers as offensive.
>
> All who are perishing will be offended, no matter how delicately the
> believer puts it.  Always, and without exception.  It is the way of
> spiritual things thrust upon a natural understanding.
>
> Best regards,
> Rick C. Hodgin
>

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How much is your life worth? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 05:28 -0700
  Re: How much is your life worth? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-10-17 12:34 +0000
    Re: How much is your life worth? Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2016-10-17 21:44 +0800
      Re: How much is your life worth? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 07:09 -0700
        Re: How much is your life worth? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-10-17 07:38 -0700
          Re: How much is your life worth? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 07:56 -0700
            Re: How much is your life worth? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-10-17 08:29 -0700
            Re: How much is your life worth? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-10-17 08:55 -0700
              Re: How much is your life worth? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 09:17 -0700
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          Re: How much is your life worth? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 08:08 -0700
            Re: How much is your life worth? Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2016-10-17 23:22 +0800
              Re: How much is your life worth? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 08:29 -0700
          Re: How much is your life worth? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-10-17 11:40 -0400
            Re: How much is your life worth? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-10-17 22:37 +0200
              Re: How much is your life worth? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 13:43 -0700
          Re: How much is your life worth? jacobnavia <jacob@jacob.remcomp.fr> - 2016-10-17 23:56 +0200
            Re: How much is your life worth? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 15:13 -0700
              Re: How much is your life worth? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-10-17 23:13 +0000
              Re: How much is your life worth? Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-10-20 15:19 -0400
                Re: How much is your life worth? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-20 12:39 -0700
                Re: How much is your life worth? gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-10-20 19:45 +0000
                Re: How much is your life worth? Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-10-21 03:48 -0700
                Re: How much is your life worth? ImperiusDamian <damianblack.wolf@gmail.com> - 2016-11-03 21:16 -0400
              Re: How much is your life worth? ImperiusDamian <damianblack.wolf@gmail.com> - 2016-11-03 21:14 -0400
                Re: How much is your life worth? "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-11-03 19:32 -0700
                Re: How much is your life worth? David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-11-04 09:38 +0100
                Re: How much is your life worth? ImperiusDamian <damianblack.wolf@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 15:53 -0400
  Re: How much is your life worth? Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-10-17 14:38 -0400
    Re: How much is your life worth? "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 13:30 -0700
    Re: How much is your life worth? James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-10-17 22:40 -0400
      Re: How much is your life worth? Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-10-20 15:28 -0400
        Re: How much is your life worth? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2016-10-20 23:34 -0500
  [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 00:07 +0800
    Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-20 09:15 -0700
      Re: [OT] gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-10-20 16:24 +0000
      Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-20 10:07 -0700
        Re: [OT] gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-10-20 18:32 +0000
      Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 15:21 +0800
        Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 02:12 -0700
          Re: [OT] gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-10-22 12:14 +0000
          Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-10-23 23:23 +0800
    Re: [OT] Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2016-10-20 09:16 -0700
      Re: [OT] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-10-21 14:43 +0200
        Re: [OT] James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2016-10-21 09:01 -0400
          Re: [OT] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-10-21 15:23 +0200
            Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 07:15 -0700
              Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 07:18 -0700
              Re: [OT] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-10-21 17:06 +0200
                Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 08:13 -0700
                Re: [OT] David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2016-10-21 17:42 +0200
                Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 08:51 -0700
            Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 07:25 -0700
              Re: [OT] Ken Brody <kenbrody@spamcop.net> - 2016-10-27 11:58 -0400
                Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 09:30 -0700
                Re: [OT] Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-27 20:08 +0200
                Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-27 11:23 -0700
                Re: [OT] Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-27 22:06 +0200
                Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 08:41 -0700
                Re: [OT] Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-10-28 18:09 +0200
                Re: [OT] gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-10-28 19:23 +0000
                Re: [OT] ImperiusDamian <damianblack.wolf@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 15:55 -0400
                Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 14:35 -0700
                Re: [OT] ImperiusDamian <damianblack.wolf@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 18:17 -0400
                Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 15:31 -0700
          Re: [OT] "Chris M. Thomasson" <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-10-21 20:25 -0700
            Re: [OT] gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-10-22 12:20 +0000
              Re: [OT] ImperiusDamian <damianblack.wolf@gmail.com> - 2016-11-05 15:50 -0400
        Re: [OT] "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2016-10-21 06:11 -0700
          Re: [OT] gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2016-10-21 13:29 +0000
      Re: [OT] "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-10-22 15:21 +0800

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