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| From | David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.space.policy |
| Subject | Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) |
| Date | 2016-10-18 10:35 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <nu5bvg$s45$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <5d05aa4c-8348-465b-be49-ebfc641f46d3@googlegroups.com> |
On 10/12/2016 4:37 AM, Non Newtonian Propulsion wrote: > > > For the fact that action reaction violation need the change of the first law of newtonian inertia > and for the fact that is in contact with the terrestrial environment > > https://neolegesmotus.wordpress.com/2015/10/01/as-if-one-wasnt-enough-pnn-breaks-another-law/ > > https://www.reddit.com/r/EmDrive/comments/4gihnf/an_interesting_clue_in_the_change_of_the_law_of/ > Utter non-sense. Learn some EM theory. There is no force "delay", the 'B' component acts on the EM field in its presence. As the field weakens so does the force. There is no delayed force propagating to the protons of 'A', If you tuned and tuned all day you could produce standing waves between the two, but that's about it. If this worked as described you could easily demonstrate the ability to make the elements of any dipole antenna wave around simply by tuning the transmitter. I offer proof that this is wrong by contradiction. Junk. As for EM Drive.... Before we resort to that let's wait for the experimental results to come back from those experiments soon to take place using Mu metals*. At the present time it's looking quite possible that this device is not much more that a *really* expensive electrically powered magnetic compass. In other words, the extremely weak forces generated may not be present in deep space w/o the Earth's geomagnetic field to help out. The only other theory currently extant is that this device is drawing (somehow) on quantum vacuum energy. Shawyer's conception of it deriving its propulsive force strictly via SR mechanics has been thoroughly debunked. Without the QVE theory it violates conservation of momentum. And with a thrust superior to that of a photon rocket it violates conservation of energy as well (i.e. it becomes a perpetual motion machine when used to drive a generator). I won't provide the cites, look them up yourself (Google). Dave *Although why no one has tried changing thrust directions using far easier to obtain or make Helmholtz coils is beyond me. Maybe I should ping the forums on that...
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Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 01:37 -0700
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-13 11:58 +1100
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 02:32 -0700
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-10-16 09:39 +0000
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 03:11 -0700
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-10-16 10:18 +0000
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-17 11:57 +1100
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 02:09 -0700
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-18 14:44 +1100
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-10-18 10:35 -0400
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-10-18 13:45 -0700
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-10-18 22:50 -0400
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-20 14:15 +1100
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-10-21 14:54 -0400
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-11-05 17:47 -0700
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-06 15:36 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-06 16:12 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-11-07 16:33 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-10 02:59 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-10 03:02 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-11-19 14:52 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 01:01 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-11-24 07:41 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 09:12 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-11-24 12:38 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 10:11 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-24 17:43 +0000
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-26 14:14 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-26 19:21 +0000
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-11-26 22:11 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-28 12:50 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-11-28 12:56 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-22 22:16 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-23 00:37 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-23 18:22 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-23 19:49 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-23 21:15 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-11-24 07:38 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 13:44 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 14:30 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2016-11-24 18:46 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 23:20 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 17:32 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 23:38 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 08:12 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-12-03 19:15 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-12-06 13:02 -0500
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-12-20 23:05 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-12-21 01:31 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 15:28 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2017-02-14 01:42 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 10:19 -0800
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2017-04-12 23:17 -0400
Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 14:28 -0700
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