Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!)

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups	sci.space.policy
Subject	Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!)
Date	2016-10-18 14:44 +1100
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On 17/10/2016 8:09 PM, Non Newtonian Propulsion wrote:
> Il giorno lunedì 17 ottobre 2016 02:57:05 UTC+2, Sylvia Else ha
> scritto:
>> On 16/10/2016 8:32 PM, Non Newtonian Propulsion wrote:
>>> Il giorno giovedì 13 ottobre 2016 02:58:23 UTC+2, Sylvia Else ha
>>> scritto:
>>>> On 12/10/2016 7:37 PM, Non Newtonian Propulsion wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For the fact that action reaction violation need the change
>>>>> of the first law of newtonian inertia and for the fact that
>>>>> is in contact with the terrestrial environment
>>>>>
>>>>> https://neolegesmotus.wordpress.com/2015/10/01/as-if-one-wasnt-enough-pnn-breaks-another-law/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
It conveniently assumes that it's possible to change the charges on such
>>>> a time-scale without the resulting magnetic fields totally
>>>> negating the effect.
>>>>
>>>> A full analysis will show either that there's no net force, or
>>>> that the change in momentum is matched by the momentum carried
>>>> off as a result of a net radiation of electromagnetic waves in
>>>> the opposite direction.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and the fact that this thing will inevitably radiate
>>>> electromagnetic waves means that it requires a constant input
>>>> of power.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> If one assumes that the principle of action and reaction can be
>>> overcome in electrodynamics it must accept the consequences also
>>> on the law of inertia. And the change of the law of inertia is a
>>> great opportunity to shorten the time of interstellar travel
>>>
>>> E.Laureti
>>>
>>
>> I don't know why one would make such an assumption, given the lack
>> of experimental evidence to support it.
>>
>> It should also be noted that any anisotropic radiator experiences a
>> net force, completely in accordance with current theory. To be
>> compelling, an experiment has to show a force in excess of that
>> that would be produced by radiation for a given power input.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> The essence of the problem is that in the electrodynamic principle of
> action and reaction does not make sense to theoretical level. As it
> says W. Moretti in www.asps.it/azione.htm
>
> "Now in electrodynamics if the two bodies are charged, because of the
> delay effect you mention due to the mediation of the electromagnetic
> field, the third principle as I have set out above is not the case.
> The EM field can not 'be considered a body for various reasons (not
> even in the continuous theory mainly because 'does not define a field
> of speed' ...) for which the third principle can not 'even be
> formulated for the system charges + EM field. “
>
>

This takes us back to the assumption that it's possible to charge the 
bodies without thereby having a current which creates a magnetic field. 
If you assume the impossible, then all bets are off.

Sylvia.

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Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-10-12 01:37 -0700
  Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-13 11:58 +1100
    Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 02:32 -0700
      Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-10-16 09:39 +0000
        Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-10-16 03:11 -0700
          Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-10-16 10:18 +0000
      Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-17 11:57 +1100
        Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-10-17 02:09 -0700
          Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-18 14:44 +1100
  Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-10-18 10:35 -0400
    Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-10-18 13:45 -0700
      Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-10-18 22:50 -0400
      Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-10-20 14:15 +1100
        Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-10-21 14:54 -0400
          Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-11-05 17:47 -0700
            Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-06 15:36 -0500
              Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-06 16:12 -0500
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-11-07 16:33 -0800
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-10 02:59 -0500
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-10 03:02 -0500
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-11-19 14:52 -0800
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 01:01 -0800
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-11-24 07:41 -0500
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 09:12 -0800
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-11-24 12:38 -0500
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 10:11 -0800
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-24 17:43 +0000
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-26 14:14 -0500
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2016-11-26 19:21 +0000
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) "Greg \(Strider\) Moore" <mooregr@deletethisgreenms.com> - 2016-11-26 22:11 -0500
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-11-28 12:50 -0500
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-11-28 12:56 -0500
  Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-22 22:16 -0800
    Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-23 00:37 -0800
      Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-23 18:22 -0800
        Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-23 19:49 -0800
          Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-23 21:15 -0800
        Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Jeff Findley <jfindley@cinci.nospam.rr.com> - 2016-11-24 07:38 -0500
          Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 13:44 -0800
            Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 14:30 -0800
              Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Alain Fournier <alain245@videotron.ca> - 2016-11-24 18:46 -0500
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 23:20 -0800
              Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 17:32 -0800
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2016-11-24 23:38 -0800
          Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-11-29 08:12 -0800
            Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-12-03 19:15 -0800
              Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2016-12-06 13:02 -0500
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2016-12-20 23:05 -0800
              Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) William Mook <mokmedical@gmail.com> - 2016-12-21 01:31 -0800
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2017-01-06 15:28 -0800
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) dumpster4@hotmail.com - 2017-02-14 01:42 -0800
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2017-02-15 10:19 -0800
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) David Spain <nospam@127.0.0.1> - 2017-04-12 23:17 -0400
                Re: Emdrive might change the law of inertia (for the Earth too!) Non Newtonian Propulsion <calmagorod@gmail.com> - 2017-04-21 14:28 -0700

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