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Re: Particle physics

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: Particle physics
Date 2016-10-07 07:21 -0500
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On 10/5/2016 3:28 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>> On 10/1/2016 5:09 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Odd Bodkin wrote on 01.10.2016 22:52:
>>>> On 10/1/2016 10:01 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>>>> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> […] Physicists do NOT say that light is a wave. They say it is a
>>>>>> [quantum field.
>>>>> Cite evidence.
>>>> QED, by Fenyman. Want more sources?
>>> A referenced quote from this source and from another source (you said
>>> “physicist*s*”) corroborating your claim would be sufficient.
>>
>> QED: The Strange Theory of Light and Matter, Richard P. Feynman (1985),
>> p. 15 (Introduction): […]
>> Gauge Fields: Introduction to Quantum Theory, L.D. Faddeev, A. A. Slavnov
>> (1980), p. 17: […]
>> Modern Elementary Particle Physics: The Fundamental Particles and Forces,
>> Gordon Kane (1993), p. 3: […]
>> Fundamental Forces of Nature: The Story of Gauge Fields, Kerson
>> Huang (2007), p. 39: […]
>> Relativistic Quantum Mechanics and Field Theory, Franz Gross (1993), p. 15:
>> […]
>> Quantum Field Theory for the Gifted Amateur, Tom Lancaster,
>> Stephen J. Blundell (2014), p. 1: […]
>
> Thank you.  And there we have it (again):
>
> Exactly *none* of the sources that you cited and quoted corroborates your
> claim that “Physicists […] say [that] *light* *is* a quantum field.”
> (emphasis mine)  Not even one.  It is not verbatim in any quotation, and it
> cannot reasonably be concluded from any combination of statements from the
> quotations.
>
>     [What can be concluded from them is (what I already knew): Light
>      (like every electrostatic, electrodynamic and magnetic phenomenon)
>      can be understood as an excitation of the electromagnetic field,
>      and that photons are the quanta (elementary excitations) of that
>      field; they are “field quanta”.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon
First sentence.

>
> You have completely misunderstood what you have read (e.g. reading “quantum
> field” where it is written “field quantum”); assuming that you really have
> read it.  That does not surprise me.

I'm a little surprised that you think quantum field theory does not use 
both the terms "quantum field" and "field quantum". See additional 
material from books cited.

>
> I strongly suggest that you start with the basics first:
>
> <http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/optmod/qualig.html#c1> pp.
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-01 15:52 -0500
  Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-02 00:09 +0200
    Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-02 07:33 +0200
      Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:44 -0700
      Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 10:15 +0200
        Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 17:14 +0200
          Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 17:21 +0200
            Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 09:03 -0700
              Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 19:43 +0200
              Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 13:12 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-05 18:04 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:00 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 07:20 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:49 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 08:11 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:41 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 09:21 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 11:43 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 10:25 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 12:51 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 12:59 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 16:15 -0500
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 23:41 +0200
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 23:45 +0200
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-06 17:11 -0500
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:14 +0200
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:20 +0200
                Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:59 +0200
                Re: Particle physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-07 00:50 +0000
                Re: Particle physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 07:47 -0700
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 08:18 -0700
                Re: Particle physics edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-10-13 10:21 -0700
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-13 10:44 -0700
                Re: Particle physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-13 18:26 +0000
                Re: Particle physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-07 00:40 +0000
                Re: Particle physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 04:31 -0700
                Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-06 22:56 -0700
                Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-05 23:30 -0700
    Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 13:00 -0500
      Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-03 17:21 -0700
        Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 07:28 -0500
          Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 06:00 -0700
            Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 06:47 -0700
              Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 07:16 -0700
                Re: Particle physics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 07:40 -0700
                Re: Particle physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-10-04 19:05 -0400
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 09:53 -0500
              Re: Particle physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-10-04 14:47 +0000
                Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:58 -0700
              Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 09:53 -0500
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 08:51 -0700
                Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 11:14 -0500
                Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-06 04:04 +0200
            Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 09:53 -0500
            Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:51 -0700
            Re: Particle physics rockbrentwood@gmail.com - 2016-10-07 10:22 -0700
      Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:41 -0700
        Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 10:59 -0500
          Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 11:10 -0700
      Re: Particle physics poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-10-04 08:48 -0700
        Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-04 11:12 -0500
      Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-05 10:28 +0200
        Re: Particle physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 07:21 -0500
          Re: Particle physics Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-10-07 18:47 +0200
            Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-10 13:31 +0100
              Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 05:53 -0700
                Re: Particle physics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-10-10 07:43 -0700
          Re: Particle physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-10-10 13:22 +0100

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