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Re: lift-off

From Serigo <invalid@invalid.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics
Subject Re: lift-off
Date 2016-10-06 21:40 -0500
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On 10/6/2016 3:41 PM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 6:32:02 PM UTC-4, Serigo wrote:
>> On 10/3/2016 1:07 PM, edprochak@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 3, 2016 at 9:32:44 AM UTC-4, Serigo wrote:
>>> []
>>>>
>>>> what about the huge Global Worming increases caused by shipping all that
>>>> stuff to Mars ?
>>>>
>>>> Injecting huge amounts of combustion products into the upper atmosphere ?

>>> You think the output of a few huge rockets is anything compared
>>>  to the output of   over a billion cars in the world?
>>>
>>   cars are only driven 1% of the time and do not burn millions of tons
>> of Rocket Fuel
>
> Lets do the math.

> Musk's mars rockets will launch about every 2 years (26 months)
> The Mars rocket is estimated to have a total launch weight
> (Rocket+fuel+payload) of 10,500 tons (not "millions)
> Let's be generous to you and use the round number 10,000 tons
> as the fuel weight. lets see how many rockets nee to be launched
> each cycle to match the world consumption of fuel by cars.
>
>
> There are over 1 billion cars in the world. Driven 1% of the time
> or more doesn't matter.  World wide cars consume roughly
> 20,000 barrels of gasoline per DAY. (using 2012 data)

> A barrel is about 300 pounds, so 6,000,000 pounds or 3,000 tons PER DAY.
>
> So lets cycle the clock. in two years, cars will consume
> 2 years*365 days*3,000 tons = 2,190,000 tons
>
> Interesting, the numbers are close. At 10,000 tons per flight
> there have to be only 219 flights. This was assuming about 95%
> of the total launch weight was fuel. (10,000/10,500) There needs
> to be oxygen also, so the real fuel weight may be about half that.
> So really about 440 flights.
>
> So your figure was wrong if it was a per flight number.
> But not too far off for a total number (all flights combined).
>
> The CO2 emissions will be less per ton, because the Mars rocket
> is going to use methane rather than rocket fuel.

#pounds of liquid Methane and LOX  should convert directly to an amount 
of CO2          CH4 + O2 => CO2 + 2H2

however a lot of CO would also be produced, as the reaction is 
turbulant, with unburned CH4.

>
> Actually a much smaller number of launches than I thought.
> But you are right. It is a concern.
>
> See what can happen when you look at the evidence.
> If you had just done the math you could be wagging your
> finger saying "I told you so!"  :)
>
> ed
>

yep, just busy doing other things,
I am sure these concerns/ideas/problems/solutions  have been published 
in internal NASA reports,
I have seen some early ones, Books by NASA from R&D, from about 1993 
where they discuss burring part of the rocket tube underground to 
survive the radiation. They are probably public too.

a bigger problem is how to get rid of heat from a nuclear plant on Mars, 
no water, no air, no liquids to conduct heat away and radiate it or 
loose it.  Nuclear power plants are 33% effecient.
you can put up a field of radiators to radiate it into space, but how 
big, and what made out of, it is hard to get rid of 10 Meggawatt in a 
near vaccum, no fluids

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