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| From | Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: Convection is fiction |
| Date | 2016-08-24 21:36 +0200 |
| Organization | Good company |
| Message-ID | <npkt0r$6ri$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <16752210.eqIcH4nDp4@PointedEars.de> <npfc2e$uap$2@dont-email.me> <4201218.GXAFRqVoOG@PointedEars.de> <npj6ma$mnh$1@dont-email.me> <8983463.nUPlyArG6x@PointedEars.de> |
Dne 24/08/2016 v 19:03 Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn napsal(a):
> Poutnik wrote:
>
> I am increasingly getting the idea that you have no idea what you are
> talking about here.
>
> ,-<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropopause>
> |
> | […]
> | More formally, the tropopause is the region of the atmosphere where the
> | environmental lapse rate changes from positive, as it behaves in the
> | troposphere, to the stratospheric negative one. Following is the exact
> | definition used by the World Meteorological Organization:
> |
> | The boundary between the troposphere and the stratosphere, where an
> | abrupt change in lapse rate usually occurs. It is defined as the lowest
> | level at which the lapse rate decreases to 2 °C/km or less, provided
> | that the average lapse rate between this level and all higher levels
> | within 2 km does not exceed 2 °C/km.[1]
>
> ,-<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapse_rate>
> |
> | The lapse rate is defined as the rate at which atmospheric temperature
> | decreases with an increase in altitude.[1][2] […]
>
> So I understand that the tropopause is where the atmospheric temperature no
> longer decreases with increasing altitude, but it increases instead.
>
> I find further that
>
> ,-<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_(meteorology)>
> |
> | In meteorology, an inversion is a deviation from the normal change of an
> | atmospheric property with altitude. It almost always refers to a
> | "temperature inversion", i.e. an increase in temperature with height, or
> | to the layer ("inversion layer") within which such an increase occurs.[1]
>
> According to those definitions, the tropopause *is* a (temperature)
> inversion layer. And since you are now claiming that it is not, you are
> wrong.
>
> I also find it suspicious that you would now attempt to establish a “true
> inversion“ to justify your change of mind with which you support Michael
> Strickland’s pseudo-scientific nonsense.
>
> See also: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman>
>
You english is much better than mine.
Your knowledge of QED and GR probably as well,
what is fine, as I am not a physicist.
But your knowledge of physics of atmosphere
reminds a last minute flash reading of Wikipedia pages,
you will not tell me I do not know what I am talking about.
If you read the pages properly,
you would know that lapse rate L = -dT/dz,
therefore inversions have negative lapse rate.
L = 2 deg C/km is still mild yet negative gradient,
that makes a "holding layer" for all air climbing adiabatically.
You would do better to review
the overall temperature profile of the whole atmosphere,
and to study some baloon probe measurements of atmosphere profiles.
The approach to own mistakes is best manifested
on the approach to mistakes of others.
When you have nothing to address the objection of your statements,
you disappear, or play distraction game with English ( easy points),
formal things, or the favourite "gibberish" card.
Until to learn to deal with mistakes of others and your own,
you will stay a boy with big portion of earned knowledge,
like a second Sheldon Cooper.
I guess we both have wasted too much time in this thread,
I am not going to follow any more.
--
Poutnik ( The Pilgrim, Der Wanderer )
Knowledge makes great men humble, but small men arrogant.
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Convection is fiction Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 09:44 -0700
Re: Convection is fiction James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 15:14 -0700
Re: Convection is fiction Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-17 19:01 -0400
Re: Convection is fiction James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-08-17 16:28 -0700
Re: Convection is fiction James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-08-17 22:20 -0700
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-21 17:57 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 18:16 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-21 18:46 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 18:56 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-21 19:09 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 19:27 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 07:39 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 19:58 -0700
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 17:17 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 20:02 -0700
Re: Convection is fiction James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 12:38 -0700
Re: Convection is fiction Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 17:11 -0700
Re: Convection is fiction James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 19:59 -0700
Re: Re: Convection is fiction Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-21 22:34 -0400
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 06:52 +0200
Re: Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-22 19:02 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 19:17 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 20:05 -0700
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 01:16 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 05:53 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 18:47 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 21:04 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 06:09 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 19:03 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-24 12:16 -0500
Re: Convection is fiction James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 11:11 -0700
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 21:36 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-25 06:20 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-25 08:13 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-25 09:40 -0500
Re: Convection is fiction James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 12:14 -0700
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 17:45 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-22 18:56 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 19:14 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 20:54 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 01:56 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 06:02 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 06:14 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 19:07 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 21:15 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 06:31 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 06:54 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 01:10 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 05:53 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 07:32 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 19:15 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-08-24 21:11 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-24 21:26 +0200
Re: Convection is fiction Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-08-24 15:07 -0500
Re: Convection is fiction James McGinn <jimmcginn9@gmail.com> - 2016-08-22 20:04 -0700
Re: Convection is fiction Claudius Denk <claudiusdenk@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 19:31 -0700
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