Re: The New Gravity Theory

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: The New Gravity Theory
Date	2016-08-11 13:30 -0500
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On 8/11/2016 1:05 PM, LIGO Fraud Investigator wrote:
> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 at 10:38:16 AM UTC-7, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 8/11/2016 12:10 PM, LIGO Fraud Investigator wrote:
>>> Any gravity theory that posits a "flux" of force particles is dead on arrival.
>>> The reason is that gravity affects everything including the flux particles
>>> themselves, thereby resulting in an infinite self-referential regress. Not even wrong.
>>
>> You may be interested in a highly verified theory of the strong nuclear
>> interactions called quantum chromodynamics. Introduced in the 1960's, it
>> has had five decades of experimental test and verification. One of the
>> interesting features of this theory is that the "force particles",
>> called gluons, also feel the strong nuclear interaction. That is, gluons
>> interact with gluons. This is what I gather you call "self-referential
>> regress", something you think cannot possibly be (for some reason not
>> articulated). However, this aspect of QCD turns out to be the only way
>> to explain some of the observed phenomenology of strong interactions,
>> including jets of secondary particles in high transverse-pT collisions
>> at particle accelerators. Thus something you think cannot be true of the
>> universe does in fact appear to be true in experiment. In science,
>> anyway, experiment trumps all human expectations of how the universe
>> should work.
>
> Bodkin, why don't you crawl back under your little rock you live under? Electrons, too, interact with
> electrons. So fucking what?

No, they don't. They interact with PHOTONS. The only path for electrons 
to interact with electrons is through an intermediary photon. But 
photons do not interact with photons. So in this way, quantum 
electrodynamics is different than quantum chromodynamics, because gluons 
DO interact with gluons, as well as with quarks.

> The problem with gravitons is that gravity does not behave as if the "force particles" interact with
> themselves. Even the stupid black hole crackpottery of mainstream physics would be impossible if
> gravitons were involved because nothing can escape a black hole by definition, including the gravitons
> themselves.

Here is where you have simply taken a soundbite and completely 
misunderstood what was being said. Somehow you think that theories of 
gravitation say that gravitons are emitted from inside the event horizon 
of a black hole and that's how matter would be attracted to the black 
hole. But in fact this is NOT WHAT THOSE THEORIES SAY. The gravitons do 
NOT come from the interior of the black hole at all.

>
> Gravitons (or whatever unicorn particle you clueless bozos can think of) would be accelerated at
> twice the rate of massive particles if they existed.

Another sound bite where you have completely misunderstood what was 
being said.

> Think about it. How would you get an inverse
> square law from this crap?

It's pretty easy to show how general relativity produces the inverse 
square law in the low-gravity limit, which is where Newtonian gravity 
applies.

>
> Modern physics is sitting on a mountain of crap. Physicists wallow in the crap with a smile on their faces.

I think all that you've demonstrated, Louis, is that you are only 
capable of misreading soundbites from magazine articles and an 
occasional web page, and then running with that misreading straight into 
the weeds. It's like you get in a truck and drive it badly on the 
highway, having no clue how to make the think work right, and when you 
topple the truck over into a ditch, you get out and say, "See? I told 
you this truck is a broken piece of shit!"

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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The New Gravity Theory Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-10 22:14 -0400
  Re: The New Gravity Theory benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-10 22:36 -0400
    Re: Re: The New Gravity Theory Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-11 05:34 -0400
  Re: The New Gravity Theory Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 20:30 -0700
    Re: Re: The New Gravity Theory Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-11 05:29 -0400
  Re: The New Gravity Theory bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 13:16 +0200
    Re: The New Gravity Theory john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 06:41 -0700
      Re: The New Gravity Theory bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 16:29 +0200
      Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 09:35 -0500
        Re: The New Gravity Theory john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 08:11 -0700
          Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 10:49 -0500
            Re: The New Gravity Theory john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 09:14 -0700
              Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 11:28 -0500
              Re: The New Gravity Theory moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-11 17:48 +0000
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 13:21 -0500
                Re: The New Gravity Theory benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-11 18:20 -0400
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 17:35 -0500
                Re: The New Gravity Theory benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-11 22:30 -0400
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 07:27 -0500
                Re: The New Gravity Theory john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 11:24 -0700
                Re: The New Gravity Theory moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-12 15:36 +0000
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                "theory of **** john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 16:22 -0700
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                Re: "theory of **** moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-13 17:23 +0000
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                Re: The New Gravity Theory margaretporat@gmail.com - 2016-08-15 01:58 -0700
    Re: The New Gravity Theory benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-11 17:59 -0400
      Re: The New Gravity Theory john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 16:18 -0700
      Re: The New Gravity Theory bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 14:45 +0200
  Re: The New Gravity Theory LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 10:10 -0700
    Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 12:38 -0500
      Re: The New Gravity Theory LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 11:05 -0700
        Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 13:30 -0500
          Re: The New Gravity Theory john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 11:47 -0700
            Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 14:19 -0500
              Re: The New Gravity Theory john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 13:21 -0700
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 15:47 -0500
                Re: The New Gravity Theory xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-11 13:55 -0700
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 16:32 -0500
                Re: The New Gravity Theory moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-12 15:50 +0000
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 10:59 -0500
              Re: The New Gravity Theory benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-11 18:31 -0400
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 17:39 -0500
          Re: The New Gravity Theory noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 13:43 -0700
          Re: The New Gravity Theory LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 15:40 -0700
            Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 17:45 -0500
              Re: The New Gravity Theory LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 16:37 -0700
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 19:10 -0500
                Re: The New Gravity Theory LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 17:31 -0700
          Re: The New Gravity Theory poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-12 02:54 -0700
          Re: The New Gravity Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-14 10:35 +0200
            Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 08:17 -0500
              Re: The New Gravity Theory Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-08-15 21:19 +0200
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 13:26 -0500
                Re: The New Gravity Theory moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-16 19:17 +0000
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 12:44 -0700
                Re: The New Gravity Theory noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-08-16 14:54 -0700
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-18 13:52 -0500
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                Re: The New Gravity Theory poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-19 23:07 -0700
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-20 10:14 -0500
                Re: The New Gravity Theory benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-20 20:59 -0400
                Re: The New Gravity Theory poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-20 23:00 -0700
                Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-21 18:12 -0500
                Re: The New Gravity Theory poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-21 23:31 -0700
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                Re: it's a military-marhcing theme LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 16:28 -0700
      Re: Re: The New Gravity Theory Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-12 04:59 -0400
        Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 10:38 -0500
          Re: The New Gravity Theory poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-12 23:35 -0700
          Re: Re: The New Gravity Theory Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-14 20:07 -0400
            Re: The New Gravity Theory Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 08:43 -0500
      Re: The New Gravity Theory poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-12 02:49 -0700
  Re: The New Gravity Theory poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-12 02:39 -0700
    Re: Re: The New Gravity Theory Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-12 06:41 -0400
      Re: Re: The New Gravity Theory poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-12 08:49 -0700
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        Re: skwaresville moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-08-14 00:50 +0000
      Re: skwaresville poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-14 00:04 -0700
  Re: The New Gravity Theory xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-13 18:30 -0700
    Re: The New Gravity Theory benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-13 21:50 -0400
      Re: The New Gravity Theory xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-14 10:29 -0700
    Re: Re: The New Gravity Theory Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-14 20:11 -0400
      Re: Re: The New Gravity Theory xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-14 17:46 -0700
        Re: Re: The New Gravity Theory poraty350@gmail.com - 2016-08-14 23:54 -0700
          Re: Re: The New Gravity Theory xxein1@att.net - 2016-08-15 05:52 -0700

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