Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed

From	bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed
Date	2016-08-11 15:28 +0200
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On 11.08.2016 00:47, LIGO Fraud Investigator wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 at 2:11:26 PM UTC-7, bartekltg wrote:
>> On 20.07.2016 21:16, reber g=emc^2 wrote:
>>> No lab is trying to measure the speed of gravity for that
>>> reason.Einstein said it was at c.
>>
>>
>> I'm quite sure LIGO just have proven that speed of
>> gravity is finite and gave us the upper limit.
>
> Your personal assurance means nothing.

This is not a personal assurance, only a figure of speech.

One of LIGO detectors detect the wave 7ms earlier that
the second one. This is a fact and it give us an upper limit
on the speed of gravity (changes in gravitational field).

> I, on the other hand, am quite sure that LIGO is a fraud.

"Your personal  beliefs means nothing."
;-)

> Gravity has no speed. It is a nonlocal or instantaneous phenomenon,
> otherwise the inverse square law would not hold and Newtonian gravity
> would be way off.

Not true.

Do you mean that if gravitational interaction is retarded, two body
system would gain more and more energy?

This is a common mistake. If you consider one of O(v/c) correction
(retardation), you should consider all corrections of that order of
amplitude.

The same "trap" is in electrostatic/electromagnetism.
The electric field from a charged particle is
E = k Q r/|r|^3.
( |E| ~ 1/r^2)

and changes in electric (and magnetic) field travel with light speed.
Still, two charged balls will not gain energy. If you try to
derive precise equations on the forces, the forces still woudl be central.

Similary in gravitation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%E2%80%93Infeld%E2%80%93Hoffmann_equations

This equation contain all v/c (cancelled out!) and (v/c)^2
correction.

> Laplace proved long ago that the speed of gravity would have to be orders of magnitude

Laplace use some strange fluid model, not GR.

Even wiki know that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_gravity#Laplace

bartekltg

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Gravity Force Has No Speed "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 12:16 -0700
  Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-20 13:52 -0700
    Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 16:47 -0500
      Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-20 15:08 -0700
        Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-20 20:34 -0400
          Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 05:58 -0700
        Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-20 17:57 -0700
    Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-07-21 02:52 -0400
      Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 09:04 -0700
        Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 11:34 -0500
          Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 10:00 -0700
            Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 12:09 -0500
        Re: Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-07-22 02:05 -0400
          Re: Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 07:50 -0700
            Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 10:03 -0500
              Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 08:07 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 10:53 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 09:03 -0700
            Re: Re: Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-07-23 04:52 -0400
              Re: Re: Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-23 14:48 -0700
              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-08 15:43 -0400
    Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-07-21 02:56 -0400
      Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 09:19 -0700
        Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 11:37 -0500
          Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 10:01 -0700
            Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 12:11 -0500
              Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-21 11:33 -0700
        Re: Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-07-22 01:55 -0400
          Re: Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 09:01 -0700
            Re: Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 09:15 -0700
              Re: Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 09:37 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 12:18 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 10:50 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 13:42 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 11:44 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 13:52 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 11:57 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 14:14 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 14:32 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 13:00 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 17:02 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 15:30 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 10:49 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-23 09:31 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 11:39 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-23 16:53 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-24 15:13 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 14:19 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 07:58 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-25 13:08 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 15:56 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-25 14:14 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-22 17:01 -0400
            Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 12:15 -0500
              Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 10:48 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 13:36 -0500
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-22 11:37 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 13:51 -0500
            Re: Re: Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-07-23 05:09 -0400
          Electric field (was: Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-25 07:43 +0200
            Re: Electric field (was: Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed) mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-24 23:12 -0700
              Re: Electric field Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 08:26 -0500
                Re: Electric field mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-25 13:08 -0700
              Re: Electric field Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-25 18:43 +0200
                Re: Electric field mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-25 12:16 -0700
                Re: Electric field Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-25 22:27 +0200
                Re: Electric field mapou001@gmail.com - 2016-07-25 18:02 -0700
                Re: Electric field Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-07-26 07:14 +0200
                Re: Electric field Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 15:51 -0500
  Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-21 09:36 -0700
  Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-22 17:59 -0700
    Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-07-23 17:37 -0400
  Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-07-27 10:44 -0700
    Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed "reber g=emc^2" <herbertglazier0@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 12:57 -0700
      Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-08-10 16:38 -0700
      Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-11 04:30 -0400
        Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 15:03 +0200
          Re: Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2016-08-12 05:48 -0400
            Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 14:01 +0200
              Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 09:16 -0700
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 12:40 +0200
                Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 12:30 -0700
  Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 23:11 +0200
    Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-10 15:47 -0700
      Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 15:28 +0200
        Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 12:23 -0700
          Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 08:27 -0500
      Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-11 09:17 -0500
    Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-12 12:53 -0700
      Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed bartekltg <bartekltg@gmail.com> - 2016-08-13 11:23 +0200
        Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-14 12:24 -0700
          Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 08:28 -0500
            Re: Gravity Force Has No Speed LIGO Fraud Investigator <mapou001@gmail.com> - 2016-08-15 11:38 -0700

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