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Re: Why would iOS be safer from spying than a well setup Android phone?

From	Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	misc.phone.mobile.iphone, comp.mobile.android, sci.electronics.repair
Subject	Re: Why would iOS be safer from spying than a well setup Android phone?
Date	2016-08-04 21:03 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<no0ajk$u2m$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
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Aardvarks <aardvarks@a.b.c.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Aug 2016 11:04:13 +0200, Michael Eyd wrote:
> 
>> You didn't prove that the ID is actually wiped out.
> 
> I am a scientist.

You're many things, but sorry you're no scientist. 

> 1. Like any true scientist, I provide my hypothesis that iOs is less 
> private than Android when it comes to being able to easily *eliminate* the 
> advertising ID. And, like any true scientist, I provided numerous 
> references which backed up my claims and which supported the experiment 
> that I devised and published out in the open.
> 
> 2. Like any true scientist, I provided the exact steps to my *experiment*, 
> which anyone on the planet can reproduce with any similar Android phone 
> (mine is an S3 on Android 4.3).
> 
> 3. And, like a true scientist, I provided the results and conclusion that 
> the advertising ID was trivially easily completely eliminated from the 
> Android system. Like any true scientist, I know *more* needs to be 
> explored, such as the question of whether the Advertising ID is hidden 
> somehow, and that similar tests need to be performed to see if it is as 
> easy to eliminate the advertising ID on iOS as it was on Android.

None of which tests your original hypothesis. Pointless exercise.

> This is what scientists do.

No. The traditional scientific method is you make an observation, develop a
hypothesis based on the observation, design an experiment ideally to
disprove your hypothesis, and then assess objectively whether the
experiment had achieved your aim.

Nowadays you can also develop hypothesis free experiments, generally where
your large amounts of data in an attempt to develop a hypothesis.

> This is fact.

Good scientist are rarely categorical. That's a fact ;)

> Now, what do *you* provide?
> 
> Words?
> Tht's it?
> Just words?
> 
> You are not a scientist.
> 
> You, and nospam and Savageduck and tlvp, etc., are merely iOS apologists 
> who don't like the fact that it's trivially easy to completely eliminate 
> the advertising ID on Android, while it's probably almost impossible to do 
> the same privacy tweak on iOS.
> 
>> And as for iOS: I have an easily reachable menu in the Settings app, 
>> where I can (and have ;-) ) denied Ad-tracking, and where I can even 
>> reset the ADID (by generating a new one).
> 
> Heh heh ... you really felt the need to say that?
> Really?
> 
> Even nospam and Savageduck and tlvp didn't feel the need to say that what 
> you have on Apple iOS is the same as what every Android user already has 
> with respect to *resetting* the advertising ID and telling advertisers not 
> to use it.
> 
> You probably don't even *understand* what I just wrote - but I'm sure 
> nospam (who, despite his constant baseless lies, actually *does* understand 
> everything that I write).
>

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