Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping

From	Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.vms
Subject	Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping
Date	2016-06-27 10:07 -0400
Organization	HoffmanLabs LLC
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On 2016-06-27 01:21:58 +0000, John Reagan said:

> The trouble with two RTLs is that they will never be separate.  People 
> will demand that you can fopen() with one RTL but fprintf() with the 
> other.  Same for setenv()/getenv().  The two RTLs would have to have a 
> private channel between each other.

Ayup.  Particularly if some app is exposing RTL constructs directly 
through its API, and that the caller is then using.   But how common is 
that?

Announce the new RTL and preferably with all of the core VSI apps and 
tools migrated and with most of the rest migrating, announce that 
mixing RTLs won't work and isn't supported, announce the public 
schedule for the deprecation of the old RTL first through the removal 
and relocation of old RTL into a separate and extra-cost license and 
installation, and then through copying the RTL and the compatibility 
kit to NLA0:.

This deprecation might well be fodder for using the multi-version 
approach, if y'all start to make that into a supportable and 
sustainable design for OpenVMS itself and for applications.

Getting rid of specific and targeted and problematic old code and 
redesigning or replacing inadequate or broken or insecure APIs is a 
complete shift from past practice.   But it's also the only way you're 
going to make more than token forward progress with OpenVMS.

Make the folks that don't want to move and don't want to migrate pay 
for that, if they are even upgrading.   Make the folks that are moving 
and are updating their apps have an easier time, and with better 
capabilities.




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Pure Personal Opinion | HoffmanLabs LLC

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PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-22 04:08 -0500
  Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-22 11:15 +0200
    Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Jim <mckinneyj@saic.com> - 2016-06-22 06:34 -0700
  Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-22 10:12 -0400
    Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Paul Sture <nospam@sture.ch> - 2016-06-22 21:05 +0200
    Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-22 22:06 -0500
  Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-22 16:42 -0400
    Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-23 01:24 +0200
      Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-22 20:08 -0400
        Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-23 08:48 -0400
          Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-23 09:11 -0400
            Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-24 03:10 -0700
              Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-24 17:12 -0700
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping hb <end.of@inter.net> - 2016-06-25 13:05 +0200
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-25 06:22 -0700
              Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-24 21:26 -0400
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-25 08:20 -0400
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-25 15:06 +0200
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-25 10:14 -0400
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-25 12:59 -0400
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-25 21:36 +0200
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-26 02:09 -0400
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-26 10:42 +0200
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-27 09:28 -0400
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-27 10:19 -0400
              Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-25 12:51 +0200
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping   VAXman-  @SendSpamHere.ORG - 2016-06-25 11:48 +0000
              Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)) - 2016-06-25 12:08 +0000
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-25 15:07 +0000
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-27 09:25 -0400
            Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Simon Clubley <clubley@remove_me.eisner.decus.org-Earth.UFP> - 2016-06-25 14:59 +0000
              Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-25 21:41 +0200
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-25 13:02 -0700
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping hb <end.of@inter.net> - 2016-06-26 17:00 +0200
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-26 08:39 -0700
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-26 12:20 -0400
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-26 10:20 -0700
                math.h (Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping) "Craig A. Berry" <craigberry@nospam.mac.com> - 2016-06-26 14:44 -0500
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-26 16:04 -0400
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-26 15:31 -0500
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-26 16:50 -0400
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-26 19:09 -0700
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-26 18:21 -0700
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-27 10:07 -0400
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-27 12:33 -0700
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-27 16:06 -0400
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-28 05:29 -0700
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping "John E. Malmberg" <wb8tyw@qsl.net_work> - 2016-06-26 11:21 -0500
                Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-26 10:09 -0700
                Emacs 21.2, was Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping hb <end.of@inter.net> - 2016-06-28 23:13 +0200
                Re: Emacs 21.2, was Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping John Reagan <xyzzy1959@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 10:04 -0700
                Re: Emacs 21.2, was Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping helbig@asclothestro.multivax.de (Phillip Helbig (undress to reply)) - 2016-06-29 19:01 +0000
      Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping "Robert A. Brooks" <FIRST.LAST@vmssoftware.com> - 2016-06-22 23:09 -0400
        Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Jan-Erik Soderholm <jan-erik.soderholm@telia.com> - 2016-06-23 09:06 +0200
          Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping David Froble <davef@tsoft-inc.com> - 2016-06-23 12:48 -0400
        Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-23 08:57 -0400
          Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping "Kerry Main" <kemain.nospam@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 09:55 -0400
            Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping Stephen Hoffman <seaohveh@hoffmanlabs.invalid> - 2016-06-23 10:39 -0400
              Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping "Kerry Main" <kemain.nospam@gmail.com> - 2016-06-23 12:49 -0400
            Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping koehler@eisner.nospam.decuserve.org (Bob Koehler) - 2016-06-24 08:44 -0400
            Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-24 03:11 -0700
  Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping lawrencedo99@gmail.com - 2016-06-22 20:59 -0700
    Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-23 00:30 -0500
    Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-23 00:33 -0500
    Re: PC/VT Keyboarrd Mapping "Paul Richards" <paulrichards@iinet.net.au> - 2016-06-23 00:36 -0500

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