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| From | Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: BLISS |
| Date | 2016-06-08 15:21 +0000 |
| Organization | NewsGuy - Unlimited Usenet $23.95 |
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On 2016-06-08, Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote: > On Wednesday, June 8, 2016 at 6:07:25 AM UTC-6, jmfbahciv wrote: > >> I would hate that, too; the character is difficult to distinguish from a |. > > Not only that, but officially, ! _is_ the EBCDIC vertical bar, and ^ is the > EBCDIC logical not symbol (¬). > > These characters, rather than the obvious choices of | and ~ in ASCII (| in > ASCII was originally a _broken_ vertical bar just so as to reinforce the > distinction), were chosen at the insistence of PL/I programmers, because > otherwise PL/I programs, requiring those two symbols, could not be entered > from upper-case only ASCII input devices. > > Of course, this was a pain for people using ASCII terminals to access EBCDIC > mainframes, and wanting to enter text documents containing exclamation marks. > Of course, many sites would let you choose your translate table from > alternatives. Yes, I recall when a couple of EBCDIC code points (0x4f, formerly '|', and 0x5a, formerly '!') went up for grabs. It undermined my faith in the stability of the character set. Fortunately, at the time I was moving to machines that used ASCII, which has proven to be more stable. -- /~\ cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid (Charlie Gibbs) \ / I'm really at ac.dekanfrus if you read it the right way. X Top-posted messages will probably be ignored. See RFC1855. / \ HTML will DEFINITELY be ignored. Join the ASCII ribbon campaign!
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BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 16:10 +0100
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-05 15:25 +0000
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-05 12:25 -0400
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 18:41 +0100
Re: BLISS Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2016-06-05 12:20 -0700
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-05 23:08 +0100
Re: BLISS Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 07:38 +0200
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 09:33 +0100
Re: BLISS Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-06-06 13:05 +0200
Re: BLISS jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 14:54 +0100
Re: BLISS Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2016-06-06 08:03 -0700
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-06 16:07 +0100
Re: BLISS Al Kossow <aek@bitsavers.org> - 2016-06-06 08:11 -0700
Re: BLISS jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-07 12:11 +0000
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 02:31 -0700
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 10:26 +0000
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 12:01 +0100
Re: BLISS scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2016-06-06 16:48 +0000
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-07 16:14 -0400
Re: BLISS JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 14:16 -0500
Re: BLISS jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-06 13:35 +0000
Re: BLISS usenet@only.tnx (Questor) - 2016-06-07 21:04 +0000
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-07 22:30 +0000
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 10:23 +0100
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 10:24 +0000
Re: BLISS jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-08 12:09 +0000
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 12:27 +0000
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 07:48 -0700
Re: BLISS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-08 15:21 +0000
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-08 11:50 -0400
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 09:32 -0700
Re: BLISS - broken bar Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-06-08 15:35 -0400
Re: BLISS - broken bar Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-09 10:52 -0400
Re: BLISS - broken bar Joe Makowiec <makowiec@invalid.invalid> - 2016-06-09 20:11 +0000
Re: BLISS - broken bar Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-10 06:45 -0400
Re: BLISS jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-06-09 12:25 +0000
Re: BLISS Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-06-09 10:23 -0500
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-09 08:49 -0700
Re: BLISS "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 20:07 -0400
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-09 19:11 -0700
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-09 19:16 -0700
Re: BLISS "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-11 10:09 -0500
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-11 16:05 +0000
Re: BLISS Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-11 19:27 +0100
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-11 18:46 +0000
Re: BLISS "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-12 09:45 -0500
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 10:21 +0100
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-08 07:26 -0400
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 11:33 +0000
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 13:30 +0100
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 14:07 +0000
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 15:39 +0100
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-06-08 07:56 -0700
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-08 11:50 -0400
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 15:27 +0000
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-08 11:50 -0400
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 17:13 +0100
Re: BLISS mausg@mail.com - 2016-06-09 09:37 +0000
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-09 10:52 -0400
Re: BLISS Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2016-06-28 18:53 -0400
Re: BLISS Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-28 19:47 -0400
Re: BLISS "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-28 20:00 -0400
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-29 09:19 +0100
Re: BLISS "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-06-29 04:43 -0400
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-29 09:17 +0100
Re: BLISS Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-07-12 17:07 -0700
Re: BLISS mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-13 14:22 +0000
Re: BLISS mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-13 14:41 +0000
Re: BLISS Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-13 16:50 +0100
Re: BLISS mausg@mail.com - 2016-07-13 19:24 +0000
Re: BLISS Alfred Falk <falk@arc.ab.ca> - 2016-07-13 23:13 +0000
Re: BLISS Bob Martin <bob.martin@excite.com> - 2016-07-14 06:06 +0100
Re: BLISS Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-07-14 09:12 +0100
Re: BLISS Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-08 15:42 +0100
Re: BLISS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-08 15:21 +0000
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 16:44 +0100
Re: BLISS "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-06-11 10:19 -0500
Re: BLISS Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-06-13 16:20 +0000
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 15:28 +0000
Re: BLISS Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-06-08 14:40 +0100
Re: BLISS Bob Eager <news0006@eager.cx> - 2016-06-08 14:08 +0000
Re: BLISS Alan Bowler <atbowler@thinkage.ca> - 2016-07-12 19:15 -0400
Re: BLISS David Wade <dave.g4ugm@gmail.com> - 2016-07-13 17:39 +0100
Re: BLISS "gareth G4SDW GQRP #3339" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-06-08 13:29 +0100
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