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Le 2016-06-05 à 05:17, Alex W. a écrit :
> On 05/06/2016 18:15, Attila wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 11:46:50 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
>> alt.atheism with message-id <drhek5FigrfU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/06/2016 18:02, Attila wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 4 Jun 2016 10:44:46 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <dremjoF1u1hU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/06/2016 18:57, Attila wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2016 10:49:00 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
>>>>>> alt.atheism with message-id <drc2fsFgdo3U1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I agree many of them should be eliminated but they must be
>>>>>>>> earned by
>>>>>>>> the companies involved and at least the companies are generating
>>>>>>>> revenue and providing jobs.  Welfare payments just disappear and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> economy gains nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a whole sector of the economy that specialises in
>>>>>>> catering to
>>>>>>> welfare recipients ... businesses that create jobs and pay taxes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are sectors the cater to anything that has any amount of money,
>>>>>> including drugs.  That does not justify supporting an illegal
>>>>>> activity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Welfare is illegal?
>>>>
>>>> Drugs are.  Welfare should just be heavily cut back.
>>>
>>> Cut back to what?
>>
>> Close to zero.
>
> In order to make that workable, you'd have to ensure that people do have
> a chance to succeed.
>
> Right now, an American would have a better chance of fulfilling the
> American Dream for himself and his family by emigrating to Europe.
>
>
>>
>>>
>>> You already have one of the stingiest, meanest welfare systems in the
>>> developed world.
>>
>> So what?  Look at the economies of those welfare states.
>
> I'm looking ... and hot damn, aren't Switzerland, Norway or Germany just
> the worst hellholes!  Failed states, one and all!

And Canada! Everyone always forget abooot Canada!

>>
>>>>
>>>>> Since when?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for payments just disappearing and the economy gaining
>>>>>>> nothing, that
>>>>>>> is simply untrue.  Money disbursed is being spent, kept in
>>>>>>> circulation.
>>>>>>> It may be tax money and it may be spent inefficiently, but it
>>>>>>> does not
>>>>>>> disappear.  It's actually quite hard to take money out of the
>>>>>>> economy
>>>>>>> altogether ....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not really.  Just send it somewhere else.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which does not remove it from the economic cycle.
>>>>
>>>> It does if it is out of the country.  Would you use the same argument
>>>> to justify illegal drug activity?
>>>
>>> It does not.  The economic cycle is global these days.
>>
>> Not cash sent to some small town in some other country.
>
> Remittances to Mexico alone amount to far more than the size of the
> Mexican oil industry.  That makes "cash sent to some small town" a major
> economic factor, and every single American company that does business
> south of the border ensures that it remains a part of the economic cycle
> even back home in the US.
>
>


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Olrik
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