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| From | "Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)" <seawasp@sgeinc.invalid.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: Intelligent Life Could Be Rare |
| Date | 2016-05-27 16:49 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
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On 5/27/16 4:01 PM, nuny@bid.nes wrote:
> On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-7, Jack Bohn wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>> On the main subject, it seems we are getting a handle on the unknowns of the
>> Drake equation:
>
> There are some variables not accounted for, or probably more properly speaking folded into other variables. I'm thinking of the fraction of ETs that think sufficiently like us to even consider the possibility of life on other worlds, to consider leaving their world/sending space probes out/listening for our RF and other emissions.
>
> We make assumptions like that all the time in SF. ST is often thrown up as an example- why do all rubber-forehead alien races have starships that look like design studies from competitors of the future Boeing that got all of the Starfleet contracts? The most radically different design that I recall is the Vulcan ringship design. If that's so logical, why does *nobody else* use it- instead pretty much everyone goes with one main hull or a split hull and two nacelles?
>
> More to the point, why are there so few ST aliens who don't want contact with outsiders for whatever reason?
>
> Yeah, I know, most SF is just Earth-historical-drama set in space. Still, if the Conspiracy Theorists who claim SF is intended to prepare us to meet our Alien Overlords were right, you'd think there'd be more Starfish aliens in stories.
>
>
> Mark L. Fergerson
>
Starfish Aliens are a pain in the ass to write, tend to be
unsympathetic, and usually require a lot of explanation just to make the
reader accept them and let the story move along. So they're just not
going to be as common as "They may not LOOK like us but they think
rather like us". Especially since "us" covers awfully broad ground;
delving into other HUMAN cultures can still have one hitting the
"they're ALIENS" feeling quite often.
Insofar as Star Trek, they've retconned an explanation that the
core-plus-nacelles design is one favored by the physics of the Warp
Drive. Insofar as their aliens, it was stated in TOS more than once that
there were connections between a lot of the humanoid alien species.
--
Sea Wasp
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