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| From | Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | rec.arts.sf.written |
| Subject | Re: Intelligent Life Could Be Rare |
| Date | 2016-05-28 01:17 +0000 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <20160527a@crcomp.net> (permalink) |
| References | (1 earlier) <f0e85bc1-2b67-4406-940c-bfac85089732@googlegroups.com> <ni7cvc$6ln$1@dont-email.me> <ni9o0p$6r9$1@dont-email.me> <0841588d-7477-4103-89b3-01f9741b4cc0@googlegroups.com> <niaaoo$5rq$2@dont-email.me> |
Don Bruder <dakidd@sonic.net> wrote:
> In article <0841588d-7477-4103-89b3-01f9741b4cc0@googlegroups.com>,
> "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 8:14:00 AM UTC-7, Jack Bohn wrote:
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>> > On the main subject, it seems we are getting a handle on the unknowns of
>> > the
>> > Drake equation:
>>
>> There are some variables not accounted for, or probably more properly
>> speaking folded into other variables. I'm thinking of the fraction of ETs
>> that think sufficiently like us to even consider the possibility of life on
>> other worlds, to consider leaving their world/sending space probes
>> out/listening for our RF and other emissions.
>>
>> We make assumptions like that all the time in SF. ST is often thrown up as
>> an example- why do all rubber-forehead alien races have starships that look
>> like design studies from competitors of the future Boeing that got all of
>> the Starfleet contracts? The most radically different design that I recall
>> is the Vulcan ringship design. If that's so logical, why does *nobody else*
>> use it- instead pretty much everyone goes with one main hull or a split
>> hull and two nacelles?
>
> As I recall reading somewhere (probably in one of the various "Trek Tech
> Explained for the Complete SF Illiterate" type volumes that have
> appeared through the years) that question gets handwaved with something
> along the lines of "Due to the way the warp field works, a saucer/dish
> and two nacelles is the most energy-efficient configuration" - Never
> mind that "The Great Bird of the Galaxy" (AKA Gene Roddenberry) just
> plain thought that configuration looked cool and insisted that the
> modelers build it that way for TOS - turn your attention back to the
> fancy handwavium show over here, dammit!
That was Gene. Couldn't write for sour owl poop, but
strutted around for the benefit of the gullible Trek Nation,
explaining how every failure was someone else's fault, and
every success was due to his fecund imagination, vast
literary ability, and CEO-level organizational skills. Do I
strike you as vicious in my presentation of these facts?
Yeah, well, just so, gentle reader, just so. I put up with
this crap for the better part of three decades, and now it's
my turn. Do not expect from me a nobility that was not
possessed by the late, great Bird of the Galaxy, who spent
more the a few hours of those years dropping bird-sh*t on
me and my version of "City." - Cordwainer Bird
--
Don Kuenz KB7RPU
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