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Re: OK, you experts

From Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: OK, you experts
Date 2016-04-19 08:35 -0400
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Incubus wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:

> On Tuesday, April 19, 2016 at 10:03:01 AM UTC, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>> Incubus wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>> 
>> > On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 7:00:36 PM UTC, -hh wrote:
>> >> On Monday, April 18, 2016 at 2:00:38 PM UTC-4, chrisv wrote:
>> >> > vallor wrote:
>> >> > 
>> >> > >"Hugh"'s reputation, for example, is that he is an apologist for 
>> >> > >extremely nasty trolls, making all sorts of machinations to try to twist 
>> >> > >what they do into something worthy of even being read.  We're talking 
>> >> > >libel and defamation, not just insults.
>> >> > 
>> >> > I recall when that fscking asshole "-hh" joined with "GreyCloud", to
>> >> > attack me.  I  had posted links to photos of some things that I owned,
>> >> > and "GreyCloud" came right-out and called me a liar - claiming that
>> >> > the items in question belonged to someone else.  
>> >> 
>> >> Did he really?  Cite please.
>> >> 
>> >> Oh, and for my part, I merely pointed out that you failed miserably
>> >> in actually substantiating your claim of having a BSEE, particularly
>> >> since instead of posting a photo of your diploma, you instead used
>> >> a couple of pics of first and second year undergraduate textbooks.
>> >
>> > Chrisv claimed that negative feedback is not used to stabilise an
>> > amplifier circuit.  That alone proves he doesn't have a BSEE.
>> 
>> Nope.  Negative feedback is not used to stabilise an amplifier circuit...
>> it is used to stabilize the *output* of an amplifier circuit.
>
> Sheer sophistry.  The output is part of the circuit from the perspective of amplifier design, an obvious example being the importance of impedance matching with valve amplification.
>
>> Negative
>> feedback can actually cause the circuit to *produce* oscillations, unless
>> damping or timing adjustments are introduced to the circuit.
>
> That might be so but it does not change the fact that it is wrong to say that negative feedback is not used to stabilise a circuit.

You don't even comprehend what you read.

>> Google it up.  No, LMGTFY.
>> 
>>    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_feedback
>> 
>>    Though negative feedback has many advantages, amplifiers with feedback
>>    can oscillate. See the article on step response. They may even exhibit
>>    instability. Harry Nyquist of Bell Laboratories proposed the Nyquist
>>    stability criterion and the Nyquist plot that identify stable feedback
>>    systems, including amplifiers and control systems.
>
> No one said that negative feedback guarantees stability.  The point
> refuted is that negative feedback is not used to improve stability - a
> position that is untenable.
>
> From the same article: '[N]egative feedback generally promotes stability.
> Negative feedback tends to promote a settling to equilibrium, and reduces
> the effects of perturbations. Negative feedback loops in which just the
> right amount of correction is applied with optimum timing can be very
> stable, accurate, and responsive'.

For *output*.

> Although loyalty is commendable, trying to defend chrisv's lack of
> understanding is not really helping him or anyone else.

It is you who don't understand.  There is more than one thing here to which
the word "stability" replies:  output versus circuit characteristics.

Chrisv's mistake is in not clarifying, in his original statement, the
element being characterized by the word "stability".

Of course, you clowns glom onto anything and build it up into some kind of
defamation, so I am just pissing into the wind here.

-- 
"Good afternoon, madam.  How may I help you?"
 
"Good afternoon.  I'd like a FrintArms HandCannon, please."
 
"A--?  Oh, now, that's an awfully big gun for such a lovely lady.  I
mean, not everybody thinks ladies should carry guns at all, though I
say they have a right to.  But I think... I might... Let's have a look
down here.  I might have just the thing for you.  Yes, here we are!
Look at that, isn't it neat?  Now that is a FrintArms product as well,
but it's what's called a laser -- a light-pistol some people call
them.  Very small, as you see; fits easily into a pocket or bag; won't
spoil the line of a jacket; and you won't feel you're lugging half a
tonne of iron around with you.  We do a range of matching accessories,
including -- if I may say so -- a rather saucy garter holster.  Wish I
got to do the fitting for that!  Ha -- just my little joke.  And
there's *even*... here we are -- this special presentation pack: gun,
charged battery, charging unit, beautiful glider-hide shoulder holster
with adjustable fitting and contrast stitching, and a discount on your
next battery.  Full instructions, of course, and a voucher for free
lessons at your local gun club or range.  Or there's the *special*
presentation pack; it has all the other one's got but with *two*
charged batteries and a night-sight, too.  Here, feel that -- don't
worry, it's a dummy battery -- isn't it neat?  Feel how light it is?
Smooth, see?  No bits to stick out and catch on your clothes, *and*
beautifully balanced.  And of course the beauty of a laser is, there's
no recoil.  Because it's shooting light, you see?  Beautiful gun,
beautiful gun; my wife has one.  Really.  That's not a line, she
really has.  Now, I can do you that one -- with a battery and a free
charge -- for ninety-five; or the presentation pack on a special
offer for one-nineteen; or this, the special presentation pack, for
one-forty-nine."

"I'll take the special."

"Sound choice, madam, *sound* choice.  Now, do--?"

"And a HandCannon, with the eighty-mill silencer, five GP clips, three
six-five AP/wire-fl'echettes clips, two bipropellant HE clips, and a
Special Projectile Pack if you have one -- the one with the embedding
rounds, not the signalers.  I assume the night-sight on this toy is
compatible?"

"Aah... yes,  And how does madam wish to pay?"

She slapped her credit card on the counter.  "Eventually."

		-- Iain M. Banks, "Against a Dark Background"

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Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-15 19:44 +0000
  Re: OK, you experts Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-15 12:49 -0700
  Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-15 14:35 -0700
    Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <linux@shit.is> - 2016-04-15 18:28 -0400
    Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 00:10 +0000
      Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-15 18:46 -0700
        Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 21:50 -0400
        Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 02:30 +0000
          Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 22:58 -0400
          Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-16 06:52 -0400
            Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-16 13:30 +0100
              OK, you coo coo trolls Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-16 08:42 -0400
                Re: OK, you coo coo trolls Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 09:07 -0400
                Re: OK, you coo coo trolls William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-16 14:23 +0100
                Re: OK, you coo coo trolls Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 09:31 -0400
              Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 08:59 -0400
            Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 08:57 -0400
            Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 15:34 +0000
              Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-16 13:32 -0400
            Re: OK, you experts Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-16 11:09 -0700
            Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-16 18:27 -0400
            Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 08:51 -0500
              Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-18 10:43 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 11:10 -0700
          Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-16 13:57 -0700
            Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-16 14:13 -0700
              Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-16 16:30 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-16 19:45 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 04:04 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-04-17 09:11 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-17 06:49 -0700
                Re: I don't use Ubuntu, so I don't care. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-17 18:23 -0700
                Re: Is every Microsoft server now a Linux server too ? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-18 04:25 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 14:39 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-04-18 19:52 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-17 06:28 -0700
          Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 13:00 -0500
            Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-18 12:00 -0700
              Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 02:30 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 05:58 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 04:08 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 08:35 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 06:06 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 10:03 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 07:25 -0700
                re: OK, you experts "Henry" <henry@alpha.org> - 2016-04-20 14:20 +0200
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-19 04:10 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 04:38 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 08:37 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 06:08 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 08:43 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 09:47 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-19 09:13 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-19 09:55 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 13:10 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-20 08:55 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-20 10:01 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-21 08:29 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-21 06:54 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-21 14:18 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-21 11:16 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-21 12:12 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-22 08:32 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-22 04:59 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-22 07:11 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-22 07:41 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-23 08:41 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-23 06:35 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-23 13:39 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-24 04:48 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-26 08:26 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-25 09:59 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-26 08:25 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-22 10:08 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-23 08:35 -0300
                re: OK, you experts "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 16:30 +0200
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-23 08:33 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 17:10 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-21 12:13 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-22 08:40 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-20 10:09 -0400
                re: OK, you experts "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 17:47 +0200
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-19 12:08 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 08:05 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 06:13 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-19 09:16 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 10:04 -0400
            Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-18 16:20 -0400
      Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-17 09:05 +0000
        Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 07:32 -0400
          Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-17 13:35 +0000
            Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 12:07 -0400
              Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-17 09:24 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 14:10 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 15:03 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 12:18 +0000
              Re: OK, you experts Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 09:24 -0700
              Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-17 21:42 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 18:23 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 07:43 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 05:45 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 10:07 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 06:28 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 13:20 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 11:27 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 17:37 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 14:28 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 20:52 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 11:29 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-18 10:14 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 17:42 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 14:29 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 13:42 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 15:56 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 20:45 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-19 08:14 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-19 08:59 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 05:51 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-19 19:11 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-19 09:32 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 20:44 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 17:51 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-18 10:49 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 08:05 -0700
            Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 14:34 -0400
    Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-16 09:00 +0000

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