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Re: OK, you experts

From vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy, alt.usenet.kooks
Subject Re: OK, you experts
Date 2016-04-16 02:30 +0000
Message-ID <dndmdpFddd5U8@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References (2 earlier) <i8qdnWJv1ojNQpPKnZ2dnUU7-dnNnZ2d@giganews.com> <sandman-a7f7f5123c34381e456b85b6a46588ba@individual.net> <hOidnREaZKQFw4zKnZ2dnUU7-WHNnZ2d@giganews.com> <dnde87Fddd5U1@mid.individual.net> <466cb7ab-7301-444c-affc-00884c5a6fdd@googlegroups.com>

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 18:46:25 -0700, -hh wrote:

> vallor wrote:
>> Marek Novotny wrote:
>> 
>> > On 2016-04-15, Sandman <mr@sandman.net> wrote:
>> >> Seeing how open source, bash (BSD 1988), vim (Amiga 1991) and emacs
>> >> (ITS 1976) have exactly nothing to do with Linux, I fail to see your
>> >> point here.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > That's because you're clueless. You'll figure it out... Or not...
>> > Maybe one of your more enlightened friends will do you the courtesy
>> > of explaining it to you. Me, I just love it when an idiot displays a
>> > lack of knowledge in a subject he chooses to argue about. Now I
>> > predict you'll run back to google and wikipedia and see where you
>> > went wrong. Then you'll feel all embarrassed and the clarification,
>> > also known as back peddling will begin. Word to the foolish... Know
>> > your subject first.
> 
> Noted:  Ad Hominem attack attempt, thereby avoiding the more honest
> approach of actually resolving the dispute with germane, objective
> verifiable facts.
> 
>> > You may begin your back peddling now... I can't wait...  :)
>> 
>> Sandman is a mac advocacy troll.
>> 
>> His schtick is to minimize the role of Linux in modern systems
>> development.  He probably doesn't believe what he writes, but who
>> knows?
> 
> Also noted:  a second Ad Hominem attack attempt, also choosing to avoid
> the honesty approach of resolving the dispute with germane, objective
> verifiable facts.
> 
>  - - - - -
> 
> So then boys,

Fuck off.

> rather than to try to continue to lamely "attack the
> person', how about you actually substantiate your claim?

Because a person's reputation is not a logical argument, it is their 
reputation: a myriad of many factors, including past behavior.

"Hugh"'s reputation, for example, is that he is an apologist for 
extremely nasty trolls, making all sorts of machinations to try to twist 
what they do into something worthy of even being read.  We're talking 
libel and defamation, not just insults.

By the way, "hh", you are a pretentious piece of eurotrash-wannabe.  
Kindly die in a fire.

Now that we've established where this wackadoodle is wrong above, lets 
move on to what is sure to be more of him being wrong:

> 
> Otherwise, the point that Sandman made, namely that these products all
> very clearly existed long before Linux was born, is pretty damn
> indisputable.
> Thus, that MS adopting them has nothing to do with adopting Linux.

MS adopting ubuntu userspace includes a syscall translator with the 
filename lxss.sys.  While one might think that it would be called "Linux 
subsystem for Windows", it is actually being referred to as "Windows 
subsystem for Linux".  No matter what they call it, it is clear that 
Linux is very much involved with the project.

And in the demonstrations Microsoft streamed from their Build conference, 
it was clear that they were proud that the lxss was the avenue that would 
give them vim, emacs, and so forth.  So to pretend that Ubuntu's support 
for these applications is somehow not relevant is extremely disingenuous.

As per usual from cola trolls.  Like "hh".


> 
> As such, it is quite clear

Whenever some clown says something is "quite clear", watch out, they will 
try to sell you your own hat.

> that you've now painted yourself into a
> logical corner that will require a working time machine to escape.

Except, the premises of "hugh's" argument are suspect, which makes his 
argument suspect.  Further, it could be argued that what follows from his 
premises do not necessarily support the conclusions, which would make his 
argument unsound, too.

This, coupled with the fact that "hugh's" arguments have been irrelevant 
for many years, leads me to the conclusion that it would serve no further 
purpose to continue with this discussion.  However, I'm curious what he's 
written below, so I will dive in and see what it looks like:

> 
> After all, only a dishonest troll would avoid the simple approach of
> just directly pointing out the relevant facts that support and
> substantiate the 'cater to Linux' claim ... typically what those sorts
> of loser trolls do is to try to distract readers with some sort of
> irrelevant red herring, such as a lame Ad Hominem attack.

So an ad hominem attack, such as hugh referring to people he disagrees 
with as "only a dishonest troll" and "loser trolls", is quite fine by him.

Besides the attempt at role-reversal, it would seem "hugh" thinks that 
following up an (alleged) ad hominem argument with another ad hominem 
argument is somehow logical.  No, that is the "you too" fallacy.

   http://infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html#tuquoque

So, irrelevant and illogical.  "Hugh" remains in my snubbery, his posts 
are not worth the bits they are printed on.

> Unfortunately for both of you, people aren't as stupid as you need them
> to be.

Note the formulaic ending, as if his magical incantation somehow will 
make his abusive post "all right".  This frequent saying in COLA is a 
parting shot that implies that a poster "needs their audience to be 
stupid".

The only "stupid" people around here are those who would give any 
credence to such a laughably asinine display of faux-logic, one that 
comes across as ineffective, pretentious, and pathetic.

"You would need a time machine! Harhar, behold my brilliance!"

> 
> 
> -hh

 ...and though he has been corrected more than once on how to make a 
proper sig, he continues to leave his little hugh turds in his posts, all 
the while claiming "that's the way it's always been, so that's the way it 
should be."

http://infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/logic.html#antiquitatem

In short: Logic is not Hugh's strong suit.  He is, though exceptional at 
_pretending_ to be logical.

-- 
 -v
"Desktops, workstations and servers are and Microsoft
is doing very well. AS well as Linux." -"Slimer"

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  Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <maGNUm@lin.sux> - 2016-04-13 20:01 -0400
    Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-13 17:07 -0700
      Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-14 12:23 +0100
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          Re: OK, you experts "Dr. John Grubor" <grubor@grubor.invalid> - 2016-04-14 11:51 +0000
            Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-14 13:16 +0100
              Re: OK, you experts Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-14 13:50 +0100
                Re: OK, you experts Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-14 17:41 +0200
                Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-14 17:45 +0100
                Re: OK, you experts Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-19 10:04 +0100
      Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <maGNUm@lin.sux> - 2016-04-14 11:05 -0400
        Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-14 08:28 -0700
          Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 08:35 -0700
          Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-14 11:05 -0500
            Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-14 09:30 -0700
              Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <linux@shit.is> - 2016-04-14 13:02 -0400
            Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-14 17:51 +0100
              Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-14 12:38 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <linux@shit.is> - 2016-04-14 14:15 -0400
          Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <linux@shit.is> - 2016-04-14 12:56 -0400
            Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-15 06:53 +0000
              Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-15 10:09 +0100
                Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 08:12 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-15 19:57 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <linux@shit.is> - 2016-04-15 17:19 -0400
      Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-15 19:44 +0000
        Re: OK, you experts Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-15 12:49 -0700
        Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-15 14:35 -0700
          Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <linux@shit.is> - 2016-04-15 18:28 -0400
          Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 00:10 +0000
            Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-15 18:46 -0700
              Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 21:50 -0400
              Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 02:30 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 22:58 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-16 06:52 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-16 13:30 +0100
                OK, you coo coo trolls Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-16 08:42 -0400
                Re: OK, you coo coo trolls Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 09:07 -0400
                Re: OK, you coo coo trolls William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-16 14:23 +0100
                Re: OK, you coo coo trolls Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 09:31 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 08:59 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 08:57 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 15:34 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-16 13:32 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-16 11:09 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-16 18:27 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 08:51 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-18 10:43 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 11:10 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-16 13:57 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-16 14:13 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-16 16:30 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-16 19:45 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 04:04 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-04-17 09:11 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-17 06:49 -0700
                Re: I don't use Ubuntu, so I don't care. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-17 18:23 -0700
                Re: Is every Microsoft server now a Linux server too ? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-18 04:25 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 14:39 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-04-18 19:52 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-17 06:28 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 13:00 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-18 12:00 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 02:30 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 05:58 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 04:08 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 08:35 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 06:06 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 10:03 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 07:25 -0700
                re: OK, you experts "Henry" <henry@alpha.org> - 2016-04-20 14:20 +0200
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-19 04:10 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 04:38 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 08:37 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 06:08 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 08:43 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 09:47 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-19 09:13 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-19 09:55 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 13:10 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-20 08:55 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-20 10:01 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-21 08:29 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-21 06:54 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-21 14:18 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-21 11:16 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-21 12:12 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-22 08:32 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-22 04:59 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-22 07:11 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-22 07:41 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-23 08:41 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-23 06:35 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-23 13:39 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-24 04:48 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-26 08:26 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-25 09:59 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-26 08:25 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-22 10:08 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-23 08:35 -0300
                re: OK, you experts "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 16:30 +0200
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-23 08:33 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 17:10 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-21 12:13 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-22 08:40 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-20 10:09 -0400
                re: OK, you experts "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 17:47 +0200
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-19 12:08 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 08:05 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 06:13 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-19 09:16 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 10:04 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-18 16:20 -0400
            Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-17 09:05 +0000
              Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 07:32 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-17 13:35 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 12:07 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-17 09:24 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 14:10 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 15:03 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 12:18 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 09:24 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-17 21:42 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 18:23 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 07:43 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 05:45 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 10:07 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 06:28 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 13:20 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 11:27 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 17:37 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 14:28 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 20:52 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 11:29 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-18 10:14 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 17:42 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 14:29 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 13:42 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 15:56 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 20:45 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-19 08:14 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-19 08:59 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 05:51 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-19 19:11 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-19 09:32 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 20:44 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 17:51 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-18 10:49 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 08:05 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 14:34 -0400
          Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-16 09:00 +0000
    Re: OK, you experts JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-04-14 16:41 -0500
  Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-13 21:01 -0400
    Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-13 21:14 -0400
  Re: OK, you experts Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-14 08:35 +0000
    Re: OK, you experts John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 04:03 -0700
    Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-14 13:03 -0400
  Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 02:25 -0700
  Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-15 06:56 +0000
    Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-15 01:14 -0700
      Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-15 05:54 -0400
        Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 07:00 -0500
        Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 08:11 -0400
        Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-15 14:38 -0400
      Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-16 18:29 -0400
        Re: OK, you experts Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 02:20 -0700
          Is there any serious M$Office competitor yet? Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 02:27 -0700
  Re: OK, you experts Homer <usenet@slated.org> - 2016-04-20 14:05 +0100

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