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Re: OK, you experts

From Silver Slimer <linux@shit.is>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: OK, you experts
Date 2016-04-14 12:56 -0400
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On 2016-04-14 11:28 AM, Marek Novotny wrote:
> On 2016-04-14, Silver Slimer <maGNUm@lin.sux> wrote:
>> On 2016-04-13 8:07 PM, Marek Novotny wrote:
>>> So, Microsoft using Linux for their switched fabric for Azure isn't an
>>> omission that Linux is better than Windows for the task? Microsoft
>>> working with Canonical to add a Linux layer within Windows to allow for
>>> system call translation in order to run Linux apps, again so they can
>>> cater to the Linux developer community is not capitulation?
>>
>> It simply means that Microsoft is providing _options_ to people who are
>> looking to use their product. Rather than choosing UNIX and Linux and
>> being stuck with the pool of mediocrity both products offer you,
>> Microsoft's approach allows you to use things made for their platform IN
>> ADDITION to things made for the others. In other words, you can use
>> EVERYTHING rather than a small selection of open-source crap.
>
> HAHAHHA. Dude, you seriously having me laughing over here. I believe you
> believe that, too. Here's what's really going on. Microsoft is not the
> dominant player in the enterprise space.

Considering my own school board and my wife's financial company migrated 
to a Microsoft solution, I don't believe you. Market shares also 
demonstrate that no, Linux is not "winning."

> And the reality of it is
> developers creating new business tied to the web are very likely using
> Linux and Linux tools to do the job.

In _your_ reality and that of the lying Linux losers. In the world's 
reality, that is not the case at all. The convenience that Microsoft 
brings to users and to the administrators cannot be matched by Linux at 
all. The only people opting for Linux solutions are the ones who 
were/are accustomed to UNIX software. Those who refuse to change and 
adapt like JEDIDUMBASS.

> So Microsoft wants those developers
> to consider using Azure rather than AWS or other platforms and in order
> to do that they need to be less like Microsoft and more like Linux.

Interesting hypothesis with no basis in reality.

> So they keep their existing audience and they also try like hell to
> offer tools that Linux developers like in the hopes that will make their
> platform easier to adopt.

Easier to adopt sure, but not to "keep" their existing audience. Their 
existing audience is already loyal to the company; this is just a new 
feature for them to play with.

>>> Open Sourcing .net, buying Xamarin, open sourcing that, adding tools to
>>> Eclipse and becoming a member and adding BASH, Vim, Emacs, etc to
>>> Windows means what exactly to you? Sure as hell sounds to me like
>>> Microsoft bent over backwards to cater to Linux and not the other way
>>> around.
>>
>> It means that they did indeed decide to cater to people who like the way
>> Linux handles things in certain aspects. It IS possible for people to
>> prefer a Windows platform but, for instance, fall in love with Evolution
>> and choose that for their e-mail. There's nothing wrong with that.
>> Windows gives you OPTIONS, Linux makes you wish you had some.
>
> You are obviously clueless. Evolution email, which is a client,
> has nothing to do with this subject at all.

I was giving an example everyone would understand, thanks for following.

> Developers have options,
> and they chose Linux. That's why Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly on
> the enterprise. That's why they got crushed on super computers, stock
> exchanges and a large percentage of the web-based infrastructure.

_Nobody_ but lying Linux losers care about supercomputers. That's not 
where the money is either way. Desktops, workstations and servers are 
and Microsoft is doing very well. AS well as Linux.

> Again, why is Microsoft using a Linux base to run Azure's switched
> fabric? Why not use their own kernel? I have to laugh at you here.
> Microsoft has admitted it in their business practices. Do you see them
> eating their own dog food? No, you don't.
>
> Just like when we see Apple talk up their OS, and then run to Amazon and
> Google for help on the data center rather than using their own OS. If
> it's so great, use it why aren't they using OSX Server at scale?
> HAHAHAHAHAH

Pointless mention of OS X when we are talking about Windows. Try to 
stick to the subject.

-- 
Silver Slimer

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OK, you experts Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-04-13 19:41 -0400
  Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <maGNUm@lin.sux> - 2016-04-13 20:01 -0400
    Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-13 17:07 -0700
      Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-14 12:23 +0100
        Re: OK, you experts Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-14 12:35 +0100
          Re: OK, you experts "Dr. John Grubor" <grubor@grubor.invalid> - 2016-04-14 11:51 +0000
            Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-14 13:16 +0100
              Re: OK, you experts Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-14 13:50 +0100
                Re: OK, you experts Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-04-14 17:41 +0200
                Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-14 17:45 +0100
                Re: OK, you experts Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-04-19 10:04 +0100
      Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <maGNUm@lin.sux> - 2016-04-14 11:05 -0400
        Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-14 08:28 -0700
          Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 08:35 -0700
          Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-14 11:05 -0500
            Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-14 09:30 -0700
              Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <linux@shit.is> - 2016-04-14 13:02 -0400
            Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-14 17:51 +0100
              Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-14 12:38 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <linux@shit.is> - 2016-04-14 14:15 -0400
          Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <linux@shit.is> - 2016-04-14 12:56 -0400
            Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-15 06:53 +0000
              Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-15 10:09 +0100
                Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 08:12 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-15 19:57 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <linux@shit.is> - 2016-04-15 17:19 -0400
      Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-15 19:44 +0000
        Re: OK, you experts Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-15 12:49 -0700
        Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-15 14:35 -0700
          Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <linux@shit.is> - 2016-04-15 18:28 -0400
          Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 00:10 +0000
            Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-15 18:46 -0700
              Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 21:50 -0400
              Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 02:30 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 22:58 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-16 06:52 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-16 13:30 +0100
                OK, you coo coo trolls Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-16 08:42 -0400
                Re: OK, you coo coo trolls Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 09:07 -0400
                Re: OK, you coo coo trolls William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2016-04-16 14:23 +0100
                Re: OK, you coo coo trolls Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 09:31 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 08:59 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-16 08:57 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-16 15:34 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-16 13:32 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-16 11:09 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-16 18:27 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 08:51 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-18 10:43 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-18 11:10 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-16 13:57 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-16 14:13 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-16 16:30 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-16 19:45 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 04:04 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-04-17 09:11 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-17 06:49 -0700
                Re: I don't use Ubuntu, so I don't care. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-17 18:23 -0700
                Re: Is every Microsoft server now a Linux server too ? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-18 04:25 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 14:39 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Tattoo Vampire <sitting@this.computer> - 2016-04-18 19:52 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-17 06:28 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 13:00 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-18 12:00 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 02:30 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 05:58 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 04:08 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 08:35 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 06:06 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 10:03 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 07:25 -0700
                re: OK, you experts "Henry" <henry@alpha.org> - 2016-04-20 14:20 +0200
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-19 04:10 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 04:38 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 08:37 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 06:08 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 08:43 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 09:47 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-19 09:13 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-19 09:55 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 13:10 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-20 08:55 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-20 10:01 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-21 08:29 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-21 06:54 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-04-21 14:18 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-21 11:16 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-21 12:12 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-22 08:32 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-22 04:59 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-22 07:11 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-22 07:41 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-23 08:41 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-23 06:35 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-23 13:39 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-24 04:48 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-26 08:26 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-25 09:59 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-26 08:25 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-22 10:08 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-23 08:35 -0300
                re: OK, you experts "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-04-22 16:30 +0200
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-23 08:33 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2016-04-20 17:10 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-21 12:13 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts sbd <sbd.pambu@safe-mail.net> - 2016-04-22 08:40 -0300
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-20 10:09 -0400
                re: OK, you experts "KLH" <klh_man@gmail.com> - 2016-04-26 17:47 +0200
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-19 12:08 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-19 08:05 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 06:13 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-19 09:16 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 10:04 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-18 16:20 -0400
            Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-17 09:05 +0000
              Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 07:32 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-17 13:35 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 12:07 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-17 09:24 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 14:10 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 15:03 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 12:18 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 09:24 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-17 21:42 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-17 18:23 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 07:43 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 05:45 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 10:07 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 06:28 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 13:20 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 11:27 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 17:37 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 14:28 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 20:52 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 11:29 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2016-04-18 10:14 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 17:42 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 14:29 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-18 13:42 -0500
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-18 15:56 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 20:45 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-19 08:14 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-19 08:59 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-19 05:51 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-19 19:11 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-04-19 09:32 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-18 20:44 +0000
                Re: OK, you experts Silver Slimer <peter@klown.is> - 2016-04-18 17:51 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-18 10:49 -0400
                Re: OK, you experts Me Sham <osirus47@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-18 08:05 -0700
                Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-17 14:34 -0400
          Re: OK, you experts Sandman <mr@sandman.net> - 2016-04-16 09:00 +0000
    Re: OK, you experts JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-04-14 16:41 -0500
  Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-13 21:01 -0400
    Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-13 21:14 -0400
  Re: OK, you experts Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-04-14 08:35 +0000
    Re: OK, you experts John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 04:03 -0700
    Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-14 13:03 -0400
  Re: OK, you experts Incubus <incubus9536612@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 02:25 -0700
  Re: OK, you experts vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-04-15 06:56 +0000
    Re: OK, you experts Marek Novotny <marek.novotny@marspolar.com> - 2016-04-15 01:14 -0700
      Re: OK, you experts Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-04-15 05:54 -0400
        Re: OK, you experts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-04-15 07:00 -0500
        Re: OK, you experts Omar <omarsayeed@linuxmail.org> - 2016-04-15 08:11 -0400
        Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-15 14:38 -0400
      Re: OK, you experts DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-04-16 18:29 -0400
        Re: OK, you experts Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 02:20 -0700
          Is there any serious M$Office competitor yet? Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 02:27 -0700
  Re: OK, you experts Homer <usenet@slated.org> - 2016-04-20 14:05 +0100

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