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Re: Please help me choose a window manager

From Rich <rich@example.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject Re: Please help me choose a window manager
Date 2016-04-13 22:39 +0000
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root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote:
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> > root <NoEMail@home.org> wrote:
> >> > If you are in fact using fvwm2 (this is likely, but only you can
> >> > confirm), then you are likely looking for the fvwm2 extension
> >> > modules [1] FvwmIconMan and/or FvwmTaskBar.
> >> > 
> >> >   man FvwmIconMan
> >> >   man FvwmTaskBar
> > 
> >> For completeness I will read these man pages to bring up some useable
> >> (for me) fvwm(2) display. Thanks for the suggestion.
> > 
> >> Right off the bat I got this from man FvwmTaskbar:
> >> BUGS
> >>        At present the FvwmTaskBar works only with fvwm95.
> > 
> >> So that makes fvwm2 off the table.
> > 
> > What is the age of your fvwm2 installation?
> > 
> > The man page for FvwmTaskBar that ships with Slackware 13.37 says this
> > under BUGS:
> > 
> >        There is a bug report that FvwmTaskBar doesn't work well with
> >        auto hide turned on.
> > 
> > And there is exactly zero mention of fvwm95.  And test starting
> > FvwmTaskBar, I get a win95 style task bar along the bottom of my
> > screen.

> How did you test start TaskBar, what did you add to .fvwm2rc?

I have this definition in my .fvwm2rc:

AddToMenu Module-Popup  FvwmModules     Title
+                       Identify        Module  FvwmIdent
+                       Talk            Module  FvwmTalk
+                       ""              Nop
+                       Button-Bar      Module  FvwmButtons
+                       Pager           Module  FvwmPager 0 0
+                       "Pager (2 desks)" Module  FvwmPager 0 1
+                       WinList         Module  FvwmWinList
+                       "Task bar"      Module FvwmTaskBar
+                       ""              Nop
+                       Banner          Module  FvwmBanner
+                       ScrollBar       Module  FvwmScroll 50 50
+                       Background      Module  FvwmBacker
+                       AutoRaise       Module  FvwmAuto 200 Raise Nop
+                       "Stop AutoRaise" KillModule FvwmAuto
+                       ""              Nop
+                       IconBox         Module  FvwmIconBox
+                       IconMan         Module  FvwmIconMan
+                       ""              Nop
+                       "Form - Rlogin"      Module FvwmForm Rlogin
+                       "Form - MyFvwmTalk"  Module FvwmForm MyFvwmTalk
+                       "Form - QuitVerify"  Module FvwmForm QuitVerify

Which I think was a default supplied by an old version of Slackware. 
Then in both my left and right mouse click menus I have:

+                       "Modules"       Popup Module-Popup

Here's the entire right click menu:

DestroyMenu Window-Ops
AddToMenu Window-Ops    "Window Ops"    Title           
+                       &Move           Move-or-Raise2
+                       Resize          Resize-or-Raise2
+                       Raise           Raise
+                       Lower           Lower 
+                       (De)&Iconify    Iconify
+                       (Un)Stick       Stick           
+                       (Un)Maximize    maximize_func
+                       ""              Nop
+                       Modules         Popup Module-Popup
+                       ""              Nop  
+                       Destroy         Destroy
+                       Close           Close    
+                       ""              Nop             
+                       "Refresh Screen"        Refresh

Then, from my left-click or right-click root menus, I've got a
"Modules" submenu, which lists the above modules, and I can pick one to
start it up, without having to restart fvwm2.  So I tested by clicking
on the "Task Bar" entry, which loaded the module, and I got a task bar. 
After I saw it had worked, I right-clicked, picked the "Close" entry,
and clicked on the task bar, and it went away.

> > For yours to mention fvwm95 implies it is older than the version
> > shipped with Slackware 13.37.  Which is fvwm2.4.20.

> My fvwm package is what comes with 14.1 Slack 64:
> fvwm-2.6.5-x86_64-6
> I presume the man page corresponds.

Same version as is on my Slack64-14.1 system (which is not the system
I'm typing this on at the moment).

> My man page for fvwm(2) runs to over 9000 lines.

> The man fvwm does talk about TaskBar but also adds taskbar
> compliant to the description, as if there are versions of
> fvmw(2) that do not support a task bar.

> This .fvwm2rc gives what I want, but no taskbar:

> Exec /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -geometry 100x37+0+100 -sl 500 -rv -sb -fn -*-lucidatypewriter-bold-r-*-*-*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-* -ms yellow
> Exec    /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -geometry 185x50+0+37 \
> -sl 500 -rv -sb -fn 10x20 -title "secondary xterm"  &
> Exec    /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -geometry 185x50+0+37 \
> -sl 500 -rv -sb -fn 10x20 -title "secondary xterm"  &
> Exec    /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -geometry 185x50+0+37 \
> -sl 500 -rv -sb -fn 10x20 -title "secondary xterm"  &
> Exec    /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -geometry 185x50+0+37 \
> -sl 500 -rv -sb -fn 10x20 -title "secondary xterm"  &
> Exec    /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm -geometry 185x50+0+37 \
> -sl 500 -rv -sb -fn 10x20 -title "secondary xterm"  &
> > 

That gives you nothing but starting a bunch of xterms.  No menus, no
nothing (although you might have the fvwm2 default built in menus,
unless they only appear when there's no .fvwm2rc file found at all.

Your Slackware 14.1 system should have these two:

/etc/system.fvwm2rc
/usr/share/fvwm/system.fvwm2rc-sample-95

The /etc file is a reasonable default file, you can copy it to
~/.fvwm/.fvwm2rc for local changes.

The one in /usr/share/fvwm/ purports to provide a very windows-95 look
and feel, and the top of the file is a large comment describing how to
make use of it.  You might try giving it a try, it might just give you
the 'look' you want, then you can edit in your "Exec" lines in the
AddToFunc InitFunction section to have them executed at startup time.


> Further discussion with Nvidia more surely confirms the problem
> I am having is caused by the driver. For my graphics card
> the latest Nvidia driver is 361.42 and I have both the
> 32 bit version and 64 bit versions of this driver. The
> 32 bit version works with Slack 14.1 32 bit, while the
> 64 bit version does not work with Slack 14.1 64 bit.

> I would still like to know how to bring up a task bar
> under fvwm. Please show me what you added to your
> rc file.

Done, although I'd recommend you start from one of the two provided
files, as they will provide a much more complete environment at the
outset.

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Please help me choose a window manager root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2016-04-13 16:42 +0000
  Re: Please help me choose a window manager notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2016-04-13 17:10 +0000
    Re: Please help me choose a window manager root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2016-04-13 17:53 +0000
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            Re: Please help me choose a window manager notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2016-04-13 23:29 +0000
  Re: Please help me choose a window manager Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-04-13 17:26 +0000
    Re: Please help me choose a window manager root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2016-04-13 19:01 +0000
      Re: Please help me choose a window manager Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-04-13 21:25 +0000
        Re: Please help me choose a window manager root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2016-04-13 21:57 +0000
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            Re: Please help me choose a window manager root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2016-04-14 01:20 +0000
          Re: Please help me choose a window manager Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2016-04-13 22:39 +0000
            Re: Please help me choose a window manager root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2016-04-14 01:28 +0000
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    Re: Please help me choose a window manager root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2016-04-14 03:20 +0000
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    Re: Please help me choose a window manager root <NoEMail@home.org> - 2016-04-14 14:45 +0000
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