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Re: This is How it Happened...Summary

From "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: This is How it Happened...Summary
Date 2016-04-13 23:16 +0200
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On 13.04.2016 11:35, HGW wrote:
> On 13/04/16 17:23, Paul B. Andersen wrote:
>> On 13.04.2016 00:04, HGW wrote:
>>>
>>> The fact that the aether was 'superfluous' does not mean it was not
>>> fundamental to the theory. It is. Its existence enabled Einstein to word
>>> his P2 exactly along the lines of Lorentz's conclusions. The aether made
>>> light speed source independent and the LTs made it observer independent.
>>> Obvious, eh?
>>>
>>> Einstein plagiarized the idea, stated those findings as a postulate and
>>> derived the maths that were consistent with the postulate. He had no
>>> reason to mention the aether because it was well and truly included in
>>> the postulate. How else could light emitted by differently moving
>>> sources possibly find a common speed? Without a unifying medium, the
>>> idea is ludicrous.
>>
>> Ralph, it would be interesting to see your answer
>> to the following question:
>>
>>   If our relative speed is v, and we both have a light source,
>>   and we both measure the speed of the light from each other's
>>   sources to be c, what are then our speeds relative to
>>   'the unifying medium'?
>>
>> But we won't see that, will we? :-D
>
> I see. Because you cannot answer the homework question I gave you, you
> are now trying to procrastinate by asking me one.
>
> I can answer your question. It is quite obvious that we can have any
> speeds. That is exactly what Lorentz discovered and what Einstein
> plagiarized...but there is a problem. It only works for speeds much
> smaller than c. ..and it only works if light speeds are unified by an
> absolute medium. CMIIW!
>
> By coincidence I was about to ask you something similar.
>
> If O1 is moving at absolute v and O2 is moving at absolute u, what does
> O1 say about O2's speed and what does O2 say about O1's speed?

Ralph, you are babbling.

The question was:
   If our relative speed is v, and we both have a light source,
   and we both measure the speed of the light from each other's
   sources to be c, what are then our speeds relative to
   'the unifying medium'?

Repeat:
   What are our speeds relative to 'the unifying medium'?



> Since you claim that SR always agrees with LET, what does SR say about
> that whole scenario?

The answer is given  in the question above:
According to SR and LET:
"both measure the speed of the light from each other's
  sources to be c"

-- 
Paul

https://paulba.no/

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This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-01 11:06 +1100
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-31 18:46 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-01 13:04 +1100
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-01 07:35 -0500
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-09 13:15 -0700
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-10 04:06 +0000
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:28 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:28 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 11:33 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:17 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:10 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:18 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:28 +0000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 20:32 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-24 20:13 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 09:03 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:58 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 10:03 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-14 15:52 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-24 20:07 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 08:53 -0500
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 08:26 -0500
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 04:35 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 07:44 -0500
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 06:26 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 09:01 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 07:28 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 10:52 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Jack Chardy <jackc@outlool.org> - 2016-07-11 16:19 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:43 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 11:29 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:43 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-07-11 12:01 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:09 -0500
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 08:28 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:52 +0000
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-07-11 17:37 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-02 08:42 +1100
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-02 16:43 +1100
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-02 19:23 +1100
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-04-02 19:40 +1100
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-02 22:09 +1100
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-02 12:20 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-04-02 19:58 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 18:22 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-03 07:53 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 11:10 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-03 21:13 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 06:04 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-04-03 15:14 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-03 15:10 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-03 15:20 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 07:12 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 07:52 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 09:31 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-16 15:16 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-16 20:15 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-17 04:37 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 06:41 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-17 10:34 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 10:38 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-17 15:56 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 08:21 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 08:19 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 16:51 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 08:36 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-01 00:30 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:18 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-01 20:39 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-06-03 10:52 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 18:24 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 09:46 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 19:15 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 11:54 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-03 21:04 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-03 15:44 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-04 09:10 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-04 05:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-04 18:49 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-04 11:23 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 15:28 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 03:35 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 18:40 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 06:07 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Apollo <nowhere@def.com> - 2016-04-04 07:28 -0600
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 08:42 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 07:43 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 11:08 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-04 17:09 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-05 07:20 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 16:03 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 03:46 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-09 03:28 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-12 08:27 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-12 09:50 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 08:17 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 17:57 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 11:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 23:08 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 19:23 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 09:48 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 07:34 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-13 17:44 -0400
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 09:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-12 15:02 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 08:04 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-13 09:23 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-13 19:35 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-13 23:16 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 07:49 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-14 10:39 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 21:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-14 15:13 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-15 14:19 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-15 21:48 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-16 10:31 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-16 15:13 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 09:10 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-16 22:19 -0400
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 18:45 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-17 04:58 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-04-16 20:25 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-17 09:16 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-17 18:47 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-13 14:49 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-14 08:12 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-14 13:57 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-15 14:26 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-15 14:54 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-16 04:29 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-18 03:48 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-18 14:40 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-18 14:50 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-18 18:18 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-19 04:44 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-19 21:23 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 20:22 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-19 14:04 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 12:04 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-20 08:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-21 11:50 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-21 12:09 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-22 09:39 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-22 09:21 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-25 23:27 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-27 05:25 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-27 22:08 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-28 08:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-28 15:07 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-29 06:37 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-05-01 14:45 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-04 14:39 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 21:14 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:23 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 06:17 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 08:44 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-04 07:52 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-04 11:10 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-04 12:47 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-05 07:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 06:20 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-05 21:20 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-05 15:02 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-05 09:15 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-06 04:14 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-05 07:00 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-05 17:10 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-06 13:32 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 08:25 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-08 07:01 -0700
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 09:11 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-07 03:50 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-07 08:27 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-08 04:31 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 07:26 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-08 20:54 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-08 14:17 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-09 00:18 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 15:41 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-17 17:38 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-19 11:57 -0500
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-10 19:02 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-03 15:21 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 15:05 +0000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 03:43 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-03 21:47 +0200
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:26 +1000
                Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-04-04 23:00 +0200
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-03 05:57 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <HGW@home.com> - 2016-04-04 04:07 +1000
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 11:26 -0700
        Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-04 10:29 +1000
          Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-03 19:53 -0700
            Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <hgw@...> - 2016-04-04 14:02 +1000
              Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-04-04 12:46 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-01 19:25 +0200
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-01 17:28 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-02 08:36 +1100
      Re: This is How it Happened...Summary "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-02 15:46 +0200
  This is How it Happened...Summary PD <TheDraperFamily@gmail.com> - 2016-04-02 06:58 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Bimpy <pimp@pimp.com> - 2016-04-02 14:07 +0000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-04-03 08:00 +1000
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-04-03 08:33 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 16:47 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-04-17 16:54 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary pnalsing@gmail.com - 2016-04-17 18:35 -0700
  Re: This is How it Happened...Summary nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2016-06-03 07:51 -0700
    Re: This is How it Happened...Summary nero <oldogf@yahoo.it> - 2016-06-04 04:06 -0700

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