Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
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Subject	Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration
Date	2016-04-13 12:05 -0500
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On 4/12/2016 10:08 AM, jay moseley wrote:
> Odd wrote...
>>> jay moseley wrote: > Odd, your argument is based on a false premise. You say that a frequency
> decay over distance cannot explain where the energy is lost. Violating
> conservation of energy. But the BBT has the same accounting deficit.
> You cant explain where the energy came from to first create the big
>>bang.
>
>> There is no absolute energy scale.
>
>> You're up at the top of a building. Is your potential energy zero or some positive number up there?
>
> If you cant explain where the BBT came from. You havent explained what causes
> the redshift any more than any tired light theory does.

Sorry, but I don't respond to baits and shifting goal posts like what 
you're doing. Energy does not have an absolute scale. There is no need 
to explain why energy is not zero at the beginning of time, because 
where zero is is ARBITRARY, and that is classical physics, not modern 
physics.

>
>>> Also you claim that energy is lost with frequency decay over distance.
>
>> No, I did not say this.
>
> Not you personally obviously. But the argument Ive heard over and over
> from BBT supporters is that if the redshift is due to frequency decay over distance
> and not expansion, then an explanation as to where the *lost* energy went is
> needed.

I don't care what you've heard elsewhere. If you say I've said something 
I haven't, I'm going to call you on it.

> My point was simple. Why does any non expanding model need to explain
> where this lost energy went? No energy is lost if redshift is due to tired light.
> What evidence or argument do you ( BBT supporters) have that shows an
> explanation is even needed? Why should frequency decay over distance
> (rather than expansion) violate conservation of energy?
>

There's a small problem with tired light. It doesn't account for 
blueshifts, which are easily observed. Only redshifts would be accounted 
for, and blueshifts shouldn't happen at all with tired light. But they do.

-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-10 17:20 -0700
  Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 03:27 -0700
  Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 07:12 -0500
    Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 06:21 -0700
      Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 07:19 -0700
        Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 07:24 -0700
          Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-11 08:22 -0700
            Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 08:34 -0700
              Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-11 21:05 +0000
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 16:23 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-11 17:40 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 08:06 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-12 08:08 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:31 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-12 14:11 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 16:54 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:16 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 20:50 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-12 23:16 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 03:38 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:45 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-14 01:01 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 01:05 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 04:49 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-14 14:31 +0000
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:45 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-14 18:33 +0000
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 03:16 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 04:27 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 05:57 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-14 14:41 +0000
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 07:45 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 08:11 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 08:22 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:03 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 12:31 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 04:56 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-14 01:40 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 13:22 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 06:48 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 06:57 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 07:23 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 07:35 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 08:06 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 08:25 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 09:50 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 10:29 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:49 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:16 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 13:20 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:48 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:13 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:47 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:26 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-14 00:52 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 05:03 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 09:23 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 13:18 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:27 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-04-14 01:09 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 04:51 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:33 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:05 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 14:44 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 15:19 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 15:36 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 02:41 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 17:32 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 16:01 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 05:34 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 08:12 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-12 13:39 +0000
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 08:54 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 07:05 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 07:44 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:02 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-12 08:44 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 10:49 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 12:37 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:10 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 14:58 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-13 16:45 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 04:59 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-14 12:15 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 09:16 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 12:56 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:34 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 13:49 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 23:00 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 08:51 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 13:02 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 12:09 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-13 14:54 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 15:35 -0500
            Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 09:01 -0700
              Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-11 09:33 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 09:52 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-11 10:33 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 13:47 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 13:11 -0400
              Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 13:09 -0400
          Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 13:05 -0400
        Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 11:12 -0500
      Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-11 14:23 +0000
        Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 07:44 -0700
          Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-11 15:06 +0000
            Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-11 09:04 -0700
              Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 09:07 -0700
              Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 09:45 -0700
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                Re: Gravity/eXergy evaporates away, never to return. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 13:49 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-11 10:12 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 13:45 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 13:58 -0500
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 21:14 -0400
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-12 08:08 -0500
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                Re: Gravity/eXergy evaporates away, never to return. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-11 18:32 +0000
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          Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 11:15 -0500
          Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 11:19 -0500
            Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 09:48 -0700
              Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 09:55 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 10:08 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 13:57 -0500
                spatial (two p.t's noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 13:54 -0700
                Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 13:54 -0500
              Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 13:52 -0500
          Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-04-13 12:46 -0700
      Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 07:34 -0700
        Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 11:13 -0500
          Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 09:24 -0700
            Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 11:29 -0500
            Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 11:30 -0500
      Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-11 11:10 -0500
      Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration edprochak@gmail.com - 2016-04-13 11:46 -0700
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    Re: Odd, explain equal universal acceleration "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-04-14 12:32 -0700
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