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Re: Developers Not Programmers

From Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Developers Not Programmers
Date 2016-03-24 21:48 +0000
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On Wed, 23 Mar 2016 09:50:28 -0500, chrisv wrote:

> 
> Gosh, so many different programming languages, with no consensus on
> which one is "best".  New ones keep coming out, winning converts from
> the more-established products.  Just like every other healthy market
> on the planet, with lots of choices being offered to satisfy the
> diverse needs of customers.  
> 

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!

You do disappoint me.  You have no idea what is happening.

In the Microsoft world, which is probably the dominant developmental platform
in terms of numbers if not quality, everything is being deliberately converged
into .NET using what is called, by Microsoft only, the Common Language Infrastructure
(CLI).

Microsoft's idea with the .NET framework and CLI is to obliterate the differences between
all programming languages.  In the .NET framework, C#, VB, C++, F# are all the fucking
same because the net result (no pun intended) of any code is the identical CIL, or Common
Intermediate Language, assembly.

For example, in any Visual Studio project it is quite possible to have portions
written in VB and other portions written in C# and yet other portions written
in any other fucking language that Microsoft has ported to .NET.  Such casual mixing
would be impossible in any other developmental environment.

Microsoft basically sees different languages as a nuisance rather than a blessing.

The Microsoft .NET framework, to any programming purist, is disgusting and irritating
shit-junk.

But there are hordes of prissy queer fops that embrace .NET with a smug joy and
actually see themselves as serious programmers in the traditional sense, but,
as any keen mind will know, they just play paint-by-numbers games with Microsoft's
cheap toys.

Microsoft wants there to be only ONE programming language that they will control.

Fuck all that goddamned CLI, CIL assemblies, and queer-fop .NET "developers."

I will embrace only GNU/Linux.

So get a clue.  Find out what is happening.

Microsoft is the egregious enemy of all true programming and all true computing.

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Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-19 10:57 +0000
  Real programmers use C++ John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 05:09 -0700
    Re: Real programmers use C++ Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 06:11 -0700
    the umpteen layers of abstraction inside of the Linux DE John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 06:39 -0700
  Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:06 -0400
    Re: Developers Not Programmers 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-03-20 20:33 +0000
  Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-20 15:22 -0400
    Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-20 20:01 +0000
    Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-20 20:21 +0000
      Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-21 12:21 -0400
        Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-21 21:47 +0000
          Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-21 17:48 -0400
            Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-21 22:28 +0000
            Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-21 20:06 -0400
          Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 00:35 +0100
            Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-22 09:38 +0000
              Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-22 06:53 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 13:11 +0100
                Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-22 09:23 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 14:41 +0100
                Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-22 09:44 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-22 09:51 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 11:54 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-22 12:11 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 22:36 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 20:28 +0100
                Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 22:48 -0400
              Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 13:05 +0100
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-03-22 14:11 +0100
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 14:39 +0100
              Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-22 15:57 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-22 21:40 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-22 22:25 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-23 02:47 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-23 05:51 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-23 23:38 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-24 00:08 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-24 14:04 +0100
                Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-23 23:37 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers "Fabian Russell" <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-23 13:36 +0100
                Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-23 23:57 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-24 06:45 -0500
                Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-23 10:26 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-23 22:07 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-24 10:11 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-24 11:32 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-03-24 21:27 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-24 21:40 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-03-24 21:50 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-25 21:56 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-25 19:43 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Nobody <nobody@nowhere.net> - 2016-03-25 19:49 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-26 01:05 +0100
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-26 14:04 +0000
                Re: Get a clue ! Microsoft doesn't use UTF_16 exclusively. Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-26 14:42 +0000
                Re: Get a clue ! Microsoft doesn't use UTF_16 exclusively. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-26 12:27 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-26 22:42 +0100
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-26 22:25 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-27 00:42 +0100
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-03-26 20:50 -0700
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-27 09:52 +0200
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-03-27 14:56 -0700
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.dead> - 2016-03-26 17:36 -0500
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-26 20:09 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-03-26 20:52 -0700
                Re: Developers Not Programmers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-03-26 02:42 +0000
            Re: Developers Not Programmers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-22 07:25 -0500
              Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 12:52 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-22 12:59 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 21:03 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-23 10:38 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-03-23 02:09 +0100
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-23 05:50 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-03-23 11:33 +0100
                Re: Developers Not Programmers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-23 07:04 -0500
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-23 08:49 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-23 09:50 -0500
                Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-24 21:48 +0000
                Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-25 11:11 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-29 10:17 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-23 10:01 -0400
                Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-23 23:57 -0400
          Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 12:58 -0400
            Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 20:20 +0100
              Re: Developers Not Programmers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-22 14:46 -0500
              Re: Developers Not Programmers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-03-22 15:04 -0700
              Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 21:09 -0400
    Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-20 22:42 +0100
      Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-20 19:22 -0400
        Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-21 01:01 +0100
          Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-21 08:18 -0400
            Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-21 15:03 +0100
        Re: Developers Not Programmers Nobody <nobody@nowhere.net> - 2016-03-20 21:08 -0400
      Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-20 21:07 -0400
  Re: Developers Not Programmers Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-03-22 14:25 +0000
    Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-25 14:36 -0400

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