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| From | owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Developers Not Programmers |
| Date | 2016-03-24 21:50 +0000 |
| Organization | O.W.L. |
| Message-ID | <ghjdao03.afea3@rooftop.invalid> (permalink) |
| References | (5 earlier) <ncq0as$rde$1@dont-email.me> <ncr3ra07i9@news6.newsguy.com> <dld8c1F30v2U1@mid.individual.net> <ghjdi03.aefae@rooftop.invalid> <dlj563Fj3tjU2@mid.individual.net> |
vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: > On Thu, 24 Mar 2016 21:27:02 +0000, owl wrote: > >> vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote: >>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 09:38:50 +0000, Fabian Russell wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 22 Mar 2016 00:35:54 +0100, Peter Köhlmann wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>> In the first place, there is NO SUCH THING as a "string" data type. >>>>> >>>>> There certainly is >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Oh, is there. >>>> >>>> Take a look at the Intel/AMD x64 processor. Where is the string type? >>>> >>>> There are bytes, integers, and floating point, with all of the >>>> corresponding arithmetic, logical, and move instructions. >>>> >>>> Where is the string type? >>>> >>>> Where is it, smart fuck? Where? >>>> >>>> C'mon, idiot. Show us the string type. >>>> >>>> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! >>> >>> So much for you knowing x86 machine code. >>> >>> REPxx Repeat MOVS/STOS/CMPS/LODS/SCAS MOVSB Move byte from string >>> to string MOVSW Move word from string to string SCASB Compare byte >>> string SCASW Compare word string STOSB Store byte in string STOSW >>> Store word in string LODSB Load string byte LODSW Load string word >>> >>> >> I'm not sure how those instructions are supposed to be evidence of a >> "string" data type. > > > "Evidence of", but not "proof of". > > The OP was talking about how microprocessors had instructions for handing > (say) ints, but not strings, therefore strings couldn't be a primitive > data type. > > I don't think strings are a primitive data type, but that's because they > are arrays of char. Nevertheless, this isn't because the processor > doesn't have string instructions -- the x86 does have instructions to > deal with them (for varying values of "string"). > > In other words: it's just an example of arriving at the right answer > from the wrong set of premises. > Yeah, but generally a proper string-handling function (or instruction) should be able to handle arbitrary size strings, without (at the user level) having to iterate over bytes, words, dwords, qwords, whatever.
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Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-19 10:57 +0000
Real programmers use C++ John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 05:09 -0700
Re: Real programmers use C++ Takuya Saitoh <taka0038@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 06:11 -0700
the umpteen layers of abstraction inside of the Linux DE John Gohde <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2016-03-19 06:39 -0700
Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-19 09:06 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers 7 <7@enemygadgets.com> - 2016-03-20 20:33 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-20 15:22 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-20 20:01 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-20 20:21 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-21 12:21 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-21 21:47 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-21 17:48 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-21 22:28 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-21 20:06 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 00:35 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-22 09:38 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-22 06:53 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 13:11 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-22 09:23 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 14:41 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-22 09:44 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-22 09:51 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 11:54 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-22 12:11 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 22:36 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 20:28 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 22:48 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 13:05 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-03-22 14:11 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 14:39 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-22 15:57 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-22 21:40 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-22 22:25 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-23 02:47 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-23 05:51 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-23 23:38 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-24 00:08 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-24 14:04 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-23 23:37 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers "Fabian Russell" <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-23 13:36 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-23 23:57 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-24 06:45 -0500
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-23 10:26 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-23 22:07 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-24 10:11 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-24 11:32 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-03-24 21:27 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-03-24 21:40 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-03-24 21:50 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-25 21:56 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-25 19:43 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Nobody <nobody@nowhere.net> - 2016-03-25 19:49 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-26 01:05 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-26 14:04 +0000
Re: Get a clue ! Microsoft doesn't use UTF_16 exclusively. Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-26 14:42 +0000
Re: Get a clue ! Microsoft doesn't use UTF_16 exclusively. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-26 12:27 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-26 22:42 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-26 22:25 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-27 00:42 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-03-26 20:50 -0700
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-27 09:52 +0200
Re: Developers Not Programmers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-03-27 14:56 -0700
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.dead> - 2016-03-26 17:36 -0500
Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-26 20:09 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-03-26 20:52 -0700
Re: Developers Not Programmers owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2016-03-26 02:42 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-22 07:25 -0500
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 12:52 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-22 12:59 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 21:03 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-23 10:38 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-03-23 02:09 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-23 05:50 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-03-23 11:33 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-23 07:04 -0500
Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-23 08:49 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-23 09:50 -0500
Re: Developers Not Programmers Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-03-24 21:48 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-25 11:11 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-29 10:17 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-23 10:01 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-23 23:57 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 12:58 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-22 20:20 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-03-22 14:46 -0500
Re: Developers Not Programmers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-03-22 15:04 -0700
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 21:09 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-20 22:42 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-20 19:22 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-21 01:01 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-21 08:18 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-21 15:03 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers Nobody <nobody@nowhere.net> - 2016-03-20 21:08 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-20 21:07 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Desk Rabbit <me@example.com> - 2016-03-22 14:25 +0000
Re: Developers Not Programmers "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-03-25 14:36 -0400
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