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| From | DFS <nospam@dfs.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Developers Not Programmers |
| Date | 2016-03-21 12:21 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <ncp6rt$k3j$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | <ncjba801dga@news4.newsguy.com> <ncmt3d$j7v$1@dont-email.me> <ncn0np215qs@news6.newsguy.com> |
On 3/20/2016 4:21 PM, Fabian Russell wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Mar 2016 15:22:14 -0400, DFS wrote:
>
>>
>> With VB I can /develop/ something very useful in no time
>>
>
> Only on some frivolous toy project.
You worship a language that still has no String data type
(null-terminated array of chars... heh!). That didn't have booleans
until 25 years after it was introduced? That accepts this as "valid" code:
------------------------------------------
#include <stdio.h>
main(t,_,a)
char *a;
{
return!0<t?t<3?main(-79,-13,a+main(-87,1-_,main(-86,0,a+1)+a)):
1,t<_?main(t+1,_,a):3,main(-94,-27+t,a)&&t==2?_<13?
main(2,_+1,"%s %d %d\n"):9:16:t<0?t<-72?main(_,t,
"@n'+,#'/*{}w+/w#cdnr/+,{}r/*de}+,/*{*+,/w{%+,/w#q#n+,/#{l+,/n{n+,/+#n+,/#\
;#q#n+,/+k#;*+,/'r :'d*'3,}{w+K w'K:'+}e#';dq#'l \
q#'+d'K#!/+k#;q#'r}eKK#}w'r}eKK{nl]'/#;#q#n'){)#}w'){){nl]'/+#n';d}rw' i;# \
){nl]!/n{n#'; r{#w'r nc{nl]'/#{l,+'K {rw' iK{;[{nl]'/w#q#n'wk nw' \
iwk{KK{nl]!/w{%'l##w#' i; :{nl]'/*{q#'ld;r'}{nlwb!/*de}'c \
;;{nl'-{}rw]'/+,}##'*}#nc,',#nw]'/+kd'+e}+;#'rdq#w! nr'/ ') }+}{rl#'{n' ')#\
}'+}##(!!/")
:t<-50?_==*a?putchar(31[a]):main(-65,_,a+1):main((*a=='/')+t,_,a+1)
:0<t?main(2,2,"%s"):*a=='/'||main(0,main(-61,*a,
"!ek;dc i@bK'(q)-[w]*%n+r3#l,{}:\nuwloca-O;m .vpbks,fxntdCeghiry"),a+1);
}
------------------------------------------
It's also extremely unintuitive:
I posted the following to comp.lang.c in May 2014, asking why it
executed printf twice. The fix stumped a bunch of gurus, and we talked
about it for 5 days. The thread was "Why does my simple while loop
printf 2x?"
=============================================
char c;
while(1)
{
printf("Enter Y or N: ");
c = toupper(getchar());
if (c == 'Y' || c == 'N') {break;}
}
return c;
If I enter Y or y or N or n it works.
If I enter any other letter it says:
Enter Y or N: Enter Y or N:
(that's 2x) and waits for input.
=============================================
> Try bringing your piddling VB/VS into a nuclear power plant control
> project and YOU would be fired.
The Stuxnet worm hit Siemens Step 7 industrial controller software in
Iranian nuclear plants; it runs on XP and Win7, and was very likely
written with Visual Studio and one of the Visual languages - maybe even
VC++.
https://mall.industry.siemens.com/mall/en/ww/catalog/products/5000139?activeTab=order®ionUrl=WW
> But you are fortunate in that there are LOTS of frivolous toy projects
> in the world.
>
> Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!
And you even failed at building a "frivolous toy":
"I am currently building a project management database for my current
employer using MSFT tools." (Feb 2016)
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Re: Developers Not Programmers Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2016-03-22 15:04 -0700
Re: Developers Not Programmers DFS <nospam@dfs.com> - 2016-03-22 21:09 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-20 22:42 +0100
Re: Developers Not Programmers Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-03-20 19:22 -0400
Re: Developers Not Programmers Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-03-21 01:01 +0100
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