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| From | Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> |
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| Newsgroups | alt.usage.english |
| Subject | Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! |
| Date | 2026-07-10 06:12 +0100 |
| Message-ID | <nbbda0Fcft5U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Le 09/07/2026 à 22:40, J. J. Lodder a écrit : > Hibou wrote: >> Le 09/07/2026 à 11:41, J. J. Lodder a écrit : >>> >>> It seems to me that this one accomplishes in a more cumbersome way >>> what a newer turbo roundabout does much better. >>> The point of it is that the merging of trafic is mostly done downstream >>> rather than on the roundabout itself, >> >> I think not. The magic roundabout provides a fair bit of redundancy, >> allows more than one path between entry and exit. Heavy traffic, a >> breakdown, or road works could close part of it and it would still >> function. It also allows U-turns and oversized loads can pass through it >> easily. Whatever its other merits, the Dutch design is inferior in these >> respects - quite clever, I suppose, but a cleverness too far. > > You misunderstand. > The turbo-roundabout has redundancy too. > (you can take the fast path as intended, > or the slower path along the outside) > You can recover when you make a mistake. Well perhaps I have misunderstood. Let's see… "A traditional Dutch turbo roundabout has a multilane design that uses a radial approach and *discourages lane changing* on the approach and within the roundabout through robust channelization, center island geometry, and lanes that are separated by raised lane dividers" - <https://international.fhwa.dot.gov/programs/tbp/docs/35976_FHWA_HPIP_Turbo_Roundabout_Factsheet_v05_Release_508.pdf> My emphasis. "The lane arrangement of a turbo roundabout *prohibits vehicles that enter on some approaches from completing U-turns*. [...] For instance, vehicles entering from the inside lane of the left and right approaches (the major road approaches) in figure 9 (a “Basic” turbo roundabout) can complete a U-turn; while vehicles approaching from the top and bottom approaches (the minor road approaches) cannot" - <https://www.ms2soft.com/media/1555/fhwa_turbo_roundabouts_2020.pdf> Drivers commonly go all the way round a roundabout when uncertain which exit to take. The British Highway Code mentions this only indirectly, in Rule 186, the French one explicitly: « Vous pouvez emprunter la voie extérieure dans le rond-point si vous n'êtes par sûr de votre direction… » - Cdlr 2022 (p.39), Michelin. > As for clever, the point is not being clever > but having a higher throughput and a lower accident rate. > (both verifiable and verified) > Even the Americans have some, by now. > >> The two approaches are not at all the same. > > No, of course not! > The magic roundabout is an experimental, > and by now obsolete design from over fifty years ago. > It works only because it forces drivers to take it slowly. > The turbo-roundabout is an evolved design > based on some decades of experience with roundabouts, "… however, the roundabout provides a better throughput of traffic than other designs and has an excellent safety record, since traffic moves too slowly to do serious damage in the event of a collision" - <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon)> I can see turbo roundabouts having a place in linking roads out in the sticks, where it's a simple matter of M6 north or M6 south. In a complex urban setting, as in Swindon, the magic roundabout looks a better solution. (In the course of this rather roundabout discussion, I've defrosted a bit, may even have developed some warmth towards it.)
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[OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-01 11:16 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-01 12:30 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-01 21:26 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-01 12:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-01 16:43 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-01 17:43 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 06:11 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-02 11:51 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 22:57 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 16:49 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 09:19 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:13 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-01 19:31 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-01 22:52 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-01 21:08 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-01 23:13 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 12:47 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-02 08:16 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-02 06:35 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 09:09 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 12:49 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-02 14:33 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-02 14:41 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-02 15:58 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-03 09:26 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-05 17:36 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-05 10:57 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-06 04:37 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 09:43 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-03 11:15 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2026-07-06 10:54 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-07-06 11:00 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-06 12:44 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-07-06 14:49 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 11:30 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-07 10:56 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-07 07:21 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2026-07-08 16:39 +1200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-07 11:30 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-07 11:27 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 16:12 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 17:33 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 19:21 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 23:26 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-04 11:38 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-04 12:52 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 08:26 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-06 20:22 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:33 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-02 05:50 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 14:33 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! occam <occam@nowhere.nix> - 2026-07-02 08:23 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 12:47 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 12:56 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 23:09 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-02 15:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 09:57 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:48 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 09:58 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-02 10:22 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-02 12:04 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:35 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 09:39 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-01 16:46 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-01 13:51 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 09:58 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-03 14:28 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 17:47 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 17:48 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 17:50 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-01 13:55 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-01 17:06 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-01 17:15 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-01 19:20 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 06:11 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-01 19:19 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-01 23:10 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 09:30 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 17:50 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:00 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:43 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-02 12:34 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-07-02 20:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-02 22:17 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:33 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 16:27 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 17:19 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-03 10:07 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-02 19:16 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-02 18:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-02 22:24 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-03 09:41 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:48 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-03 11:08 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Charles Hope <clh@candehope.me.uk> - 2026-07-03 11:45 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 15:58 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 15:58 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-03 16:06 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-04 19:00 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-05 05:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-05 06:56 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-05 18:05 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-05 11:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-05 20:32 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-05 20:58 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-05 23:26 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-06 13:52 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 08:57 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-07 11:07 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-07 11:36 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-07 19:37 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 12:13 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 11:57 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 09:05 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-06 22:34 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 18:06 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-06 15:36 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2026-07-06 12:20 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-06 16:59 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 13:17 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-07 11:15 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-08 07:05 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-07-06 18:48 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-07 11:42 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-06 18:08 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 13:34 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-06 19:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 16:31 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-06 23:24 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-06 19:11 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-07 11:17 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-07 06:38 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 08:59 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-07 16:43 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 16:27 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-08 06:23 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-08 06:43 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-08 08:09 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! HVS <office@REMOVETHISwhhvs.co.uk> - 2026-07-08 10:52 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-08 20:41 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-09 06:11 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-09 06:15 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-09 10:10 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-09 20:33 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-10 13:14 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-10 16:24 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-10 20:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-10 23:32 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-11 12:33 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-11 11:53 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-11 20:46 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-11 15:40 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-11 18:32 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-11 14:52 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-09 10:06 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-09 12:41 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-09 14:41 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-09 23:40 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-10 06:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-10 06:16 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-10 08:31 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-10 08:11 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-10 08:13 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-10 09:43 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-10 10:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-10 11:15 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-10 20:22 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-10 13:29 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-10 14:07 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-10 15:21 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 15:08 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-11 07:58 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-11 09:51 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 19:11 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-10 18:12 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-10 10:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 15:03 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-10 13:14 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-10 13:59 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-10 15:22 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-10 14:51 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-10 22:35 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-11 08:48 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-11 12:42 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 13:15 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 12:41 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-11 07:00 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 23:34 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-08 07:00 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-08 09:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-08 20:16 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-08 09:02 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 12:36 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-07 16:37 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-06 19:22 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-06 22:34 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-07-06 22:16 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-07 00:50 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-07-07 01:25 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-07 08:10 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-07 09:07 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! richard@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Richard Tobin) - 2026-07-07 10:20 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-07 13:20 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-07 13:49 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-07 11:52 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2026-07-07 09:05 -0400
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2026-07-07 20:12 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-07 11:50 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-07 19:47 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com> - 2026-07-10 11:38 -0700
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-07-06 15:38 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-06 15:30 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-05 17:59 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-05 11:01 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-05 10:45 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-05 12:27 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-05 20:59 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-05 15:27 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-05 15:47 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-06 06:32 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-06 07:54 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-06 07:54 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-06 09:59 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-06 13:52 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> - 2026-07-05 12:21 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-06 08:53 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 09:58 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 09:24 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 17:55 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-02 16:29 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-02 10:24 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-02 05:56 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 12:47 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-03 08:51 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:44 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2026-07-05 18:07 +1000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:16 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-03 15:12 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-03 14:29 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:08 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-03 20:57 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! athel.cb@gmail.com <user12588@newsgrouper.org.invalid> - 2026-07-03 19:10 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-03 20:50 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-05 19:01 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) - 2026-07-05 19:05 +0000
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> - 2026-07-07 19:54 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-06 06:24 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2026-07-06 06:27 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> - 2026-07-05 20:27 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-04 06:50 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-02 12:47 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 13:54 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-02 14:33 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-02 16:54 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! wugi <wugi@brol.invalid> - 2026-07-02 17:45 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:21 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:16 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-03 11:16 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:20 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-07-05 08:33 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2026-07-01 19:13 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2026-07-02 05:45 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-03 11:52 +0800
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:15 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-03 07:49 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-03 16:22 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-04 06:38 +0100
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "s|b" <me@privacy.invalid> - 2026-07-04 21:37 +0200
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-07-05 13:13 +0800
Re: [OT] Don't blink or you'll miss one! Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2026-07-05 06:34 +0100
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