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Re: Why isn't ether confirmed

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Why isn't ether confirmed
Date 2016-02-22 08:53 -0600
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On 2/19/2016 2:11 AM, Koobee Wublee wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 16, 2016 at 9:28:04 AM UTC-8, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 2/16/2016 10:59 AM, kenseto wrote:
>
>>> Space-time is just another name for a medium. Physicist reject
>>> the idea of a medium
>>
>> Ken, physicists do not reject spacetime. So if you want to call it
>>> a medium, then you won't find physicists rejecting a medium, as
>>> long as it has the same traits as spacetime.
>
> Spacetime physics gives so many problems as explained below.  <shrug>

You perceive a problem. That doesn't mean that there is actually a 
problem. Nor does it imply that physicists owe it to you that your 
perception of a problem must be addressed.

>
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/sci.physics.relativity/uj1TukLRb8M/7IcudqnBesIJ
>
> Physicists ought to reject spacetime.  It is the only logical thing to
> do for science.  <shrug>

I disagree that physicists should reject spacetime because you perceive 
a problem with it.

>
> Please understand this.  The concept of the Aether deals with tangible
> reality, but spacetime deals with abstract spiritual enlightenment

I disagree. Spacetime deals with measurable reality. Splashing red paint 
over that with the aspersions you freely fling doesn't change that.

> aka wherever
> heaven is aka whatever that can keep the religion of relativity
> proliferating.  <shrug>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 11:44:37 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>
>> What are the experimental results that you consider confirms [the
>> existence of] the ether?
>
> The null results of the MMX, of course.  These null results gave rise
> to the Voigt, Larmor's, and Lorentz's infinite other transforms.  All
> these transforms say the absolute frame of reference must exist.  <shrug>
>

Well, Koobee, to cite YOUR OWN arguments about experimental support, if 
TWO DIFFERENT THEORIES (one with an ether and another without an ether) 
are consistent with the null results of the MMX, then by no stretch can 
one say that the ether theory is confirmed by those results. If you 
don't know this, then you really should stop blathering about science in 
general.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-18 23:15 -0800
  Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-19 18:44 +1100
    Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-18 23:59 -0800
      Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-02-19 09:42 +0100
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-19 01:02 -0800
          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-02-19 10:15 +0100
            Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-19 01:21 -0800
              Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2016-02-19 12:23 +0100
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-19 03:37 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 05:48 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-19 06:04 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-19 07:24 -0800
            Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-19 22:03 +1100
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Stzepan Zdrobněliny <stzepan282@guadalajara.org> - 2016-02-19 19:20 +0000
          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 20:01 -0500
      Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-19 19:56 +1100
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-19 01:07 -0800
    Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 00:11 -0800
      Re: Why isn't ether confirmed benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 03:45 -0500
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 09:02 -0600
      Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 08:53 -0600
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 09:48 -0800
          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-22 10:02 -0800
          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 12:14 -0600
            Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 10:29 -0800
              Re: Why isn't ether confirmed David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-22 10:30 -0800
              Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 12:43 -0600
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 15:40 -0800
    Re: Why isn't ether confirmed benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 03:49 -0500
      Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-19 20:13 +1100
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-20 07:13 -0800
          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 09:27 -0600
          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed wugi <brol@brol.be> - 2016-02-27 15:08 +0100
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 09:04 -0600
      Re: Why isn't ether confirmed kunz <gx@fp.cdfy.7h> - 2016-02-19 13:08 +0000
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-21 14:20 +0100
          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-03-07 20:44 +0100
            Re: Why isn't ether confirmed François Theobaldus <fraop@sshimown.org> - 2016-03-07 21:24 +0000
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 14:37 -0500
      Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-19 09:40 -0600
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-19 17:13 +0100
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 09:14 -0600
          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-24 09:44 -0600
            Re: Why isn't ether confirmed PC <pc468@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-24 16:50 +0000
            Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 08:38 -0600
      Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-02-20 11:11 +0100
    Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-19 14:16 -0800
      Re: Why isn't ether confirmed JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 15:15 -0800
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-20 07:49 -0800
          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 22:08 -0800
            Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-21 09:09 -0800
              Re: Why isn't ether confirmed jamesl51165@gmail.com - 2016-02-21 09:37 -0800
      Re: Why isn't ether confirmed benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-19 20:00 -0500
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-20 18:28 -0600
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 09:18 -0600
      Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-20 18:11 -0600
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-21 09:07 -0800
          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 10:37 -0800
            Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-21 11:30 -0800
              Re: Why isn't ether confirmed JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 15:18 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-23 12:33 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 12:54 -0800
          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-23 15:27 +1100
            Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-23 12:21 -0800
              Re: Why isn't ether confirmed JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 13:07 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-23 23:11 +0100
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-23 14:18 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-24 08:10 +0100
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-24 09:00 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed PC <pc468@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-24 17:14 +0000
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-24 09:34 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed PC <pc468@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-24 22:10 +0000
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-25 23:22 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed PC <pc468@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-26 12:54 +0000
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-24 22:36 +0100
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-24 18:27 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-25 08:59 +0100
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-25 04:53 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-25 18:17 +0100
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed PC <pc468@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-25 17:43 +0000
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-25 10:55 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed PC <pc468@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-25 19:20 +0000
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-25 10:53 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-24 11:28 -0800
              Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-24 11:26 +1100
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-24 11:40 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-02-25 16:10 +1100
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-25 07:37 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-25 08:01 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-25 10:26 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-25 12:11 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 12:43 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 13:15 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-25 22:21 +0100
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 15:51 -0600
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-25 20:07 -0600
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 18:36 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-25 20:33 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-25 23:31 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-26 09:12 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-27 12:08 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-27 22:50 +0100
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 22:56 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-28 09:50 +0100
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-25 22:18 +0100
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed PC <pc468@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-25 21:45 +0000
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-25 16:56 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 20:45 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 23:12 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-25 23:35 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 00:03 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Jon Price <jonelwoodprice@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 00:07 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-26 00:32 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-26 00:33 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-26 09:41 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-26 15:04 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-27 11:51 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-27 12:09 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-27 13:08 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-27 13:48 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-28 08:46 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-28 10:24 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-28 11:36 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-28 16:03 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-29 12:28 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-28 23:35 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 00:21 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-29 00:32 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-29 04:58 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-29 05:42 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-29 06:04 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-29 06:16 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-29 06:46 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Emigdio Sophronius <emigg@augustvisitors.org> - 2016-02-29 16:39 +0000
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 13:09 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 15:30 -0600
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-29 14:25 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 16:31 -0600
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 16:34 -0600
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 16:35 -0600
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-29 16:37 -0600
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-29 23:15 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 04:40 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-03-01 06:09 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 06:23 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 07:19 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-03-01 22:55 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 03:19 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-03-02 03:26 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 03:38 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-29 16:45 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-01 04:38 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-03-07 12:05 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-29 19:50 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-29 23:13 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed alsor@interia.pl - 2016-02-26 09:19 -0800
    Re: Why isn't ether confirmed kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-20 07:07 -0800
  Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-02-20 18:29 -0600
    Re: Why isn't ether confirmed David Fuller <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-20 16:35 -0800
    Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-02-21 10:09 +0100
    Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 22:29 -0800
      Re: Why isn't ether confirmed "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-22 10:39 +0100
        Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-22 03:03 -0800
          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-22 05:07 -0800
            Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-22 05:38 -0800
              Re: Why isn't ether confirmed Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-22 06:03 -0800
                Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-22 06:25 -0800
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            Re: Why isn't ether confirmed mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-02-22 23:50 -0800
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          Re: Why isn't ether confirmed "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-02-22 21:14 +0100
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