Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics
Date	2016-02-17 16:30 -0600
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On 2/17/2016 3:30 PM, benj wrote:
> On 02/17/2016 10:16 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 2/17/2016 9:04 AM, benj wrote:
>>> What I hate are ignorant dishonest wordmeisters like yourself who know
>>> know science, have no science education yet want to become
>>> self-appointed dictators of everything done in science. That's why I
>>> hate everything you represent, not only in science.
>>
>> Ben, if you want to study ESP, go ahead. Nobody is going to stop you. No
>> dictator is going to say, "Ben, you are not permitted to study ESP
>> scientifically."
>>
>> But if you then want to publish a paper on your work, then you do not
>> have a native freedom to select your audience. You can't say, "It is my
>> inborn right to have the readers of Physical Review A see the results of
>> my work."
>>
>> If someone writes a novel and submits it to Simon & Schuster, and the
>> editor there declines to publish the novel, that is not the act of a
>> dictator.
>
> Yes he is. Especially when the refusal covers all novels of a certain
> topic or kind.

COMPLETELY disagree, and I'm quite certain that most people disagree 
with you.

> Of course with a private company that is allowed and
> expected.

Right!

> The idea is that when there is freedom different opinions will
> sort of cancel out. It's called a free press.

Right! But of course in proportion to the interest. So a free press 
outlet that caters to publications about Amish life is going to be 
smaller than a free press outlet about rap music.

> But when governments get involved in manipulating choices, then we are
> treading into areas that are political and I might mention illegal. I
> know illegal doesn't bother HVAC. How about You?

Ben, according to you, governments are involved in EVERYTHING on one way 
or the other. The only way you would ever get away from that is if 
scientific research would be completely separated from any government 
involvement -- i.e. sponsored and controlled by the private sector.

So now here are some interesting questions:
- Will a private company invest in ESP research? If a private company 
decides not to be interested in sponsoring or publishing ESP research, 
is that censorship? (See your comment above, "Of course, with a private 
company that is allowed and expected.") Are you HAPPY with the balance 
afforded by free press, that might well produce very small private 
sector interest in ESP research?
- Will a private company invest in general relativity research? If a 
private company decides not to be interested in sponsoring or publishing 
general relativity research, is that censorship? (See your comment 
above, "Of course, with a private company that is allowed and 
expected.") Are you HAPPY with the balance afforded by free press, that 
might well produce very small private sector interest in general 
relativity research?


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 17:08 -0600
  Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 15:28 -0800
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 19:59 -0500
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:16 -0600
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:40 -0500
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:01 -0600
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 00:44 -0500
              Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 09:49 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 08:01 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 12:47 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 12:46 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:35 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 00:34 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 07:27 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 05:59 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 07:30 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 10:23 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 22:46 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Dingus Dirtbag McGee" <insavad@example.com> - 2016-02-16 22:49 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 03:16 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 03:29 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 03:59 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 04:07 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 05:05 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 06:26 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:11 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:19 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:05 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 09:03 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:15 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:05 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-21 13:35 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 12:57 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-02-21 19:40 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 14:28 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-22 08:52 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 05:58 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 06:41 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 14:37 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-23 16:55 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:29 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:40 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:49 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 16:16 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 23:02 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 01:25 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-14 17:43 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:11 -0800
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 20:17 -0500
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:17 -0600
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 10:38 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:58 -0500
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:14 -0800
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:40 -0500
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:03 -0600
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 00:50 -0500
              Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 10:04 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 13:01 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:37 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 00:36 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 07:28 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:42 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:52 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 16:13 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 23:00 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 01:22 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 08:53 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 07:07 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 15:44 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:16 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 15:32 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 14:34 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 19:50 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 19:12 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 17:08 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 01:13 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 03:03 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 10:04 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 09:16 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 09:24 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 12:02 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 12:31 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:14 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 02:43 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 04:53 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:09 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 15:58 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:30 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 16:30 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 19:28 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 07:39 -0600
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 19:53 -0800
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-02-12 04:33 +0000
  Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-11 22:02 -0500
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-11 23:02 -0500
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-12 11:34 -0500
        Re: Ben Jacoby's hallucinations rule supreme, unreproachable. benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:55 -0500
          Better art refines prior art. john <johnsefton288@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 12:19 -0800
            Re: Better art refines prior art. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:29 -0600
              Re: Better art refines prior art. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 14:37 -0600
                Re: Better art refines prior art. "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:47 -0800
              Re: Better art refines prior art. Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 12:56 -0800
              Re: Better art refines prior art. "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 04:50 -0800
            Re: Better art refines prior art. "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:42 -0800
          Re: Ben Jacoby's hallucinations rule supreme, unreproachable. "hanson" <hanson@quick.net> - 2016-02-12 13:43 -0800
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2016-02-12 13:33 -0600
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 11:49 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 00:29 -0500
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 08:27 -0800
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-12 11:37 -0500
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 11:05 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 13:06 -0600
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 11:11 -0800
              Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 11:29 -0800
              Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 13:56 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 12:51 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 15:00 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-12 13:48 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-13 14:02 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Raymond Yohros <bat@birdband.net> - 2016-02-13 18:16 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:40 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 20:01 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-21 22:39 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:38 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 19:56 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 23:05 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-13 00:31 -0500
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Yousuf Khan <bbbl67@spammenot.yahoo.com> - 2016-02-13 11:56 -0500
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:32 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:27 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 22:50 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 03:24 -0800
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:24 -0800
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 02:18 -0800
  Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Fabian Russell <fb@zen.info> - 2016-02-12 10:54 +0000
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-12 07:25 -0600
  Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Wally W. <ww84wa@aim.com> - 2016-02-13 11:47 -0500
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics "Y.Porat" <y.y.porat@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 04:54 -0800
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Mahipal <mahipal7638@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 08:30 -0800
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:31 -0600
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 00:27 -0500
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 07:21 -0600
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:51 -0500
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 11:54 -0600
              Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 16:19 -0500
  Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-14 07:26 -0800
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:50 -0600
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-17 06:45 -0800
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-17 09:12 -0600
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-18 06:38 -0800
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:23 -0600
              Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-20 11:42 -0800
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:28 -0600
              Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-20 11:45 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-20 13:49 -0600
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 10:34 -0600
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-18 06:05 -0800
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 06:20 -0800
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:24 -0500
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 10:20 -0600
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-02-19 00:58 +0000
          Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-21 06:04 -0800
            Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-02-22 02:59 +0000
              Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-22 07:14 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 09:39 -0600
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-23 05:47 -0800
                Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-02-22 17:14 +0000
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-18 19:43 -0600
  Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics xxein1@att.net - 2016-02-21 23:34 -0800
    Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-22 07:32 -0800
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 09:41 -0600
        Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-02-23 05:48 -0800
      Re: Gravitational waves and skeptics xxein1@att.net - 2016-02-22 15:12 -0800

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