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| From | "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.os.windows-11, comp.os.linux.advocacy, comp.sys.mac.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin |
| Date | 2026-06-23 14:19 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <n9vbv3F7cqaU7@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
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Cross-posted to 3 groups.
On 2026-06-23 13:17, CrudeSausage wrote:
> On 2026-06-23 4:52 a.m., Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 2026-06-22 22:46, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>> On 2026-06-22 10:21 a.m., Paul wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 6/22/2026 8:38 AM, CrudeSausage wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One thing I can't stand is how Windows automatically encrypts your
>>>>> installation with Bitlocker.
>>>>> It's especially annoying when you've jumped through the necessary
>>>>> hoops to ensure that you will
>>>>> be using hardware encryption. You first have to decrypt, configure
>>>>> Windows to only use
>>>>> hardware encryption and then encrypt again.
>>>>
>>>> At install time, there may be a tick box in Rufus to stop that
>>>> behavior.
>>>
>>> There is. Unfortunately, I didn't have a Rufus USB installer in my
>>> hands at that time and had to use a USB installer created by
>>> MediaCreationTool.
>>>> *******
>>>>
>>>> That's not going to help you if you just bought a machine and
>>>> are going through OOBE. In which case, you do
>>>>
>>>> manage-bde -status
>>>>
>>>> after the machine is yours to use, and you can arrange to reverse
>>>> the encryption they have used.
>>>
>>> Already done. I've enabled hardware encryption several times on my PC
>>> laptop and even wrote down the exact sequence for anyone else who
>>> would want to do it (with a storage device that supports OPAL
>>> encryption). Anyone who claims that hardware encryption doesn't
>>> provide any noticeable performance benefits over software encryption
>>> is a serious liar.
>>>
>>
>> Caveat could be that such a disk can not be decrypted in an external
>> caddy or another computer, if the key is a combination of the password
>> the user enters + something from the bios. This may be ok, or not
>> (recovery operation, replacement of broken hardware, etc).
>
> When the PC laptop inevitably dies (it's already five-years-old), the
> NVMe will be transferred into such a caddy to test. I would imagine that
> it would still be possible to hardware encrypt it as an external device,
> as long as I secure erase the thing first. At the same time, I wonder
> what the point of an external device using hardware encryption would be
> since the performance drawbacks of software encryption won't matter as
> much. After all, sequential writes to the disk are just as fast
> whichever way you go, only random writes and reads are impacted.
The kind of hardware encryption I know about runs fully internal in the
hard disk firmware. With a proper firmware the disk read/writes as fast
as without encryption (on magnetic media, at least). The problem I know
is that some platforms modify (salt) the the user given key according to
some BIOS definition. This makes the disk very secure if stolen, yes.
But the disk is dead outside of that computer. Surely you can find
documentation about this, or just ask an AI to summarize it for you.
--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;
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OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-06-20 08:15 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-20 09:33 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-06-20 10:51 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-21 01:32 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-06-22 08:47 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-22 10:16 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-06-22 16:42 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-06-24 01:28 +0000
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-06-20 14:53 +0000
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts 🇵🇱Jacek Marcin Jaworski🇵🇱 <jmj@energokod.gda.pl> - 2026-06-20 20:07 +0200
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-06-20 14:23 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-20 14:26 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts FF <fflud@linux.rocks> - 2026-06-20 19:11 +0000
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-06-20 21:52 +0000
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-06-20 18:05 +0000
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-06-20 14:22 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-06-20 18:32 +0000
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts "Joel W. Crump" <joelcrump@gmail.com> - 2026-06-20 15:02 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2026-06-20 16:54 -0500
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-06-20 22:44 +0000
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts malone <malone@nospam.net.nz> - 2026-06-21 14:53 +1200
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-06-22 08:38 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-22 10:21 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-06-22 16:46 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-23 10:52 +0200
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-06-23 07:17 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-06-23 14:19 +0200
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-06-23 12:26 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-06-20 20:18 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-06-21 09:01 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin CrudeSausage <crude@sausa.ge> - 2026-06-22 08:48 -0400
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2026-06-21 19:38 +0000
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts Nick Charles <none@none.none> - 2026-06-22 00:48 +0000
Re: OT: Microsoft: June 2026 Windows updates break Recycle Bin prompts Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2026-06-22 17:55 +1000
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