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Re: inertial frames of reference

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On 2/5/2016 10:55 AM, jay moseley wrote:
> Odd...
> jaymoseley...
>>> So > under *newtons rules* Ill ask you the same question... Is the cup moving > or the observor?
>
>> Under Newtonian mechanics, you can't tell which one is "really" moving.
>
>>> Where under Newton was the force applied?
>
>> That would be the point I'm asking you! Where do YOU think, under Newton's laws, the force is being applied?
>
> Presumably you mean the force applied to the cupcar? Thats a hard question to
> answer because you havent clarified whether it was *not  moving* in the observor
> frame before the force was applied.

Why would you assume the force is applied to the cupcar?
All I told you is that there is relative motion between the two 
vehicles. I did not specify that one of them is moving and the other one 
is stationary, and for that matter, both of them could be moving.

Under Newton, is there any physical difference between the first vehicle 
moving and the second stationary, the second vehicle moving and the 
first stationary, or both of them moving? Be very careful how you answer 
this, because Newton DOES have an answer here. Hint: The answer is 
either Yes or No.

> Assuming you are then the force is applied
> in the inertial frame. To the cupcar and presumably,  the observor would
> watch the cupcar start moving and after netforce is applied it would  move
> at a constant speed in his frame. Under Newton.
>
>>>   > And if both observors are moving relative to each other then, under >
>>>Newton does observing in one frame mean that this chooses which vehicle > >>  >> got the force?
>
>> You've not answered my question and you're asking ME about what Newtonian mechanics says?
>> I'm asking you what YOU think.
>
> You are not the only one asking questions pal. So am I. And Ive just answered
> two of yours above, but youve only answered one. So you answer
> the above  question first.
>

Alright, I'll answer your question: And if both observers are moving 
relative to each other then, under Newton, does observing in one frame 
mean that this chooses which vehicle got the force? Answer: No, under 
Newton, this does NOT choose which vehicle got the force.


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 14:06 -0600
  Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-03 02:35 -0800
    Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 10:23 -0600
      Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-04 01:22 -0800
        Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 08:44 -0600
          Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-04 09:35 -0800
            Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 11:54 -0600
              Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-05 03:04 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 07:07 -0600
                Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-05 08:55 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 13:59 -0600
                Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-05 14:41 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 17:34 -0600
                Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-06 06:07 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference HVAC <mr.hvac@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 06:25 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference benj <none@gmail.com> - 2016-02-06 12:44 -0500
                Re: inertial frames of reference "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-06 11:16 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-06 11:41 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 09:20 -0600
                Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-08 11:05 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 13:31 -0600
                Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-09 04:34 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 09:46 -0600
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 09:13 -0600
                Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-08 11:23 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 13:42 -0600
                Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-09 04:50 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 09:50 -0600

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