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Re: inertial frames of reference

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On 2/5/2016 5:04 AM, jay moseley wrote:
> Odd ..
>> Why do you say so? What was the origin of that force?
>
>>> Or conversely in the cupcars frame net force > was applied to the observors car.
>
>> Well, which is it? Is the force applied on the vehicle with the cup or is the force
> applied to the other vehicle? And how would you ever know?
>
>> Are you going to say that which vehicle got the force is an accident of which observer
>> is making that call?
>
> Exactly what point are you making here isnt clear. For instance, in the observor
> car the cup moves, even though the cup isnt moving  in the cupcar frame.

I'm not making a point. I'm asking you questions to see what you think.

> So
> under *newtons rules* Ill ask you the same question... Is the cup moving
> or the observor?

Under Newtonian mechanics, you can't tell which one is "really" moving.

> Where under Newton was the force applied?

That would be the point I'm asking you! Where do YOU think, under 
Newton's laws, the force is being applied?

> The cup
> frame or the observor frame? And where did that force come from?
> And  if both observors are moving relative to each other then, under
> Newton does observing in one frame mean that this chooses which vehicle
> got the force?

You've not answered my question and you're asking ME about what 
Newtonian mechanics says? I'm asking you what YOU think.

>
>>> When? Who knows. ( where the force comes from) It could have been just
>>> before your observations > started. Or maybe millions of years earlier


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 14:06 -0600
  Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-03 02:35 -0800
    Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 10:23 -0600
      Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-04 01:22 -0800
        Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 08:44 -0600
          Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-04 09:35 -0800
            Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 11:54 -0600
              Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-05 03:04 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 07:07 -0600
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                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-05 17:34 -0600
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                Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-06 11:41 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 09:20 -0600
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                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 13:31 -0600
                Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-09 04:34 -0800
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-09 09:46 -0600
                Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-08 09:13 -0600
                Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-08 11:23 -0800
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                Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-09 04:50 -0800
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