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Re: AMD vs. Intel

From GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com>
Newsgroups alt.comp.freeware, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.hacker, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: AMD vs. Intel
Date 2016-01-24 10:29 -0700
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 01/23/16 22:21, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> In article<n80d4f$ia1$1@dont-email.me>
> GreyCloud<mist@cumulus.com>  wrote:
>>
>> On 01/23/16 07:37, Slimer wrote:
>>> On 2016-01-22 5:27 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>> On 01/22/16 08:13, Slimer wrote:
>>>>> On 2016-01-21 10:42 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>>>>>> On 01/21/16 15:30, Slimer wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2016-01-21 3:18 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:51:14 -0500
>>>>>>>> Slimer<.m@nsn.s>     wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, we're ignoring another possibility: if x86-64 becomes too
>>>>>>>>> expensive to buy into, PowerPC platforms might return to prominence
>>>>>>>>> and computers such as the AmigaOne might actually be noticed by the
>>>>>>>>> marketplace.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ARM is big contender not PowerPC...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dude, it doesn't matter. Just because ARM is doing well right now
>>>>>>> doesn't mean that PowerPC ceased to exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The PowerPC series is at G7 level now and IBM uses them soley for
>>>>>> servers.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can imagine. However, a response to x64 becoming much more expensive
>>>>> COULD be to settle for other platforms. Intel making its chips
>>>>> inaccessible to regular people because of high prices could result in a
>>>>> company like IBM slashing the prices of their RISC processors and the
>>>>> people behind AmigaOne and MorphOS taking advantage to sell machines
>>>>> which can do everything that you would want to do at a fraction of the
>>>>> price a Windows x64 set-up would cost you. I'm not saying that it WILL
>>>>> happen, I'm saying that it COULD happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> They should.  The markets, at least to me, are getting rather boring.
>>>> If I was the chairman of the board at IBM, I'd have fired the idiot that
>>>> didn't try to cut the power consumption on the PowerPC line.  That
>>>> would've kept IBM in contention with Intel and kept their profits up,
>>>> which as I understand it now is falling.  Their single core G5 at the
>>>> time did pretty good as one core, and I could only imagine what an 8
>>>> core G5 with low power consumption could've done for the market.
>>>
>>> It all depends on whether IBM is interested in getting back in the game
>>> which made them a household name or whether they want to continue to
>>> deny that they are essentially dying and that it is just a matter of
>>> time before they are forgotten entirely. Intel WILL get arrogant and
>>> WILL make mistakes which WILL alienate customers. Those customers MIGHT
>>> go to AMD and pay for less expensive processors (I know that's what *I*
>>> did for a time) but they might also be ready for an entirely different
>>> experience without GNU/Linux or Windows. It would just be nice to see
>>> IBM try to take advantage of the arrogance to sell a new platform
>>> (debatably a better platform) with an entirely different operating
>>> environment. It's unlikely, but it's fairly exciting to consider.
>>>
>> If IBM doesn't wake up and realize just how close to the precipice they
>> are, then it will be only a matter of time for their demise. They're
>> already losing money.  Their first attempt was to ditch Linux.  As I've
>> said before, Linux branding is the kiss of death to a product line.
>
> IBM's arrogance is a heavy cross to drag around.  The major
> stupid thing they did was engage India to do development and
> support as a cost cutting measure.  More like a throat cutting
> measure.  India had to turn around and engage Americans to
> support IBM's India folly - on IBM's dime.
>

As I've said before, if I were the CEO I'd fire some really stupid 
people and go looking for some smart people and pay the price.
It would be worth it to them.

> Customers HATE India support with a passion.  Really hate them.
> Won't even talk to them, let the company computing resources
> take a total shit and lose data kind of hate.
>

I got some really stupid support from HP from some indian over there 
over an HP printer.  All he thought the solution was is to clean the 
print heads, when the problem was very dark color photo prints.
Eventually HP fixed their software, but it took a good year for them to 
wake up to the fact that it was their software that was messed up.

>> I don't know what IBM thinks they can do with going to Apple and buying
>> their machines, after they arrogantly ignored Steve Jobs recommendation
>> to lower the power consumption of their cpus.
>
> IBM is still inventing water cooled technology to compete in
> markets where a generic Intel box has 48 cores.  We can easily
> put ten of those in a rack and have 480 cores at our disposal -
> without water involved.
>
>> AMD can get out of the doldrums if they utilized some of the design
>> paradigms of the DEC Alpha team used.  After all, when DEC was around
>> the Alphas were on top.
>
> AMD did.  They used EV6, then in a stroke of genius, dumped it
> for NUMA.
>
I haven't heard that part.

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