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AMD vs. Intel

From vallor <vallor@cultnix.org>
Newsgroups alt.comp.freeware, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.hacker, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject AMD vs. Intel
Date 2016-01-20 23:21 +0000
Message-ID <dgaj4dFp6e3U3@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References (4 earlier) <n7mc4p$ktl$10@dont-email.me> <ef18c92d3f5f085f71f51146ae8163a8@dizum.com> <n7o5k3$9rb$1@dont-email.me> <n7op4t$r15$1@dont-email.me> <7cc3ac0cc41ea4325ef6dcc848bacd0a@anemone.mooo.com>

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On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 23:47:25 +0100, Jeremy Bentham wrote:

> In article <n7op4t$r15$1@dont-email.me>
> "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> "Slimer" <.m@nsn.s> wrote in message news:n7o5k3$9rb$1@dont-email.me...
>> > On 2016-01-19 9:30 PM, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> >> In article <n7mc4p$ktl$10@dont-email.me>
>> >> GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> On 01/19/16 14:55, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
>> >>>> In article<n7kufj$v6o$1@dont-email.me>
>> >>>> "Mr. Man-wai Chang"<toylet.toylet@gmail.com>  wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 1/19/2016 5:04 PM, JJ wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>    From what I can see is that they've haven't tested Skylake
>> >>>>>>    well,
>> >>>>>> and the product is kind of rushed to the market. They *assumed*
>> >>>>>> that such heavy load will never happen. Well, strike two, Intel.
>> >>>>>> Regardsless, it's still a fact that there's a bug.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> This is NOT the first time Intel released a CPU with bug if my
>> >>>>> memory serves....
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Every Intel CPU ever released has bugs.  Most are not critical and
>> >>>> get fixed during the manufacturing life if deemed important
>> >>>> enough.
>> >>>>
>> >>> Even tho cpu vendors have errata sheets, IBMs have a much shorter
>> >>> errata sheets than Intel.
>> >>
>> >> Intel is like Cisco, bugs are "features"
>> >>
>> >> http://download.intel.com/design/processor/specupdt/320836.pdf
>> >>
>> >> 136 "No fix" in this one.
>> >>
>> >> AMD had a shitwad too.  Really disappointed in AMD.  When they
>> >> brought those losers from ATI into the fold, the end was written for
>> >> AMD.
>> >>
>> >> http://support.amd.com/TechDocs/25759.pdf
>> >
>> > Well, to be honest, the graphics department they inherited from ATI
>> > is the only thing keeping the company alive at the moment. Their
>> > processors are being ignored (except those who are looking for a
>> > decent mobile chip with decent graphics performance) but their GPUs
>> > provide excellent performance for a fraction of the price of an
>> > NVIDIA card. If I had a desktop, I'd be looking long and hard at
>> > procuring an AMD GPU for $500 rather than an NVIDIA equivalent at
>> > about $800.
>> >
>> > Either way, AMD's A10 and A8 chips are great for laptops but it seems
>> > that nobody wants them.
>> >
>> >
>> AMD is in trouble. They lost about $100 million dollars last quarter
>> and the market-cap for the entire company is only about $1.4 billion.
>> That's roughly the same market-cap as the company that makes Ugg shoes.
>>
>>     "Advanced Micro generated revenues of $0.96 billion, down 9.7%
>> sequentially and down 22.7% year over year"
>>
>> I have nothing against AMD and wish them well. Looking at what they
>> have, it's hard to see some silver-lining that's going to turn their
>> fortunes around.
> 
> They need to make the smaller processors more powerful.  That is why
> they are not selling.  It is purely a performance issue.

Performance-wise, their FX5G has plenty of horsepower -- but at 220W TDP, 
you're in a whole new world of hurt when it comes to keeping it thermally 
happy.  Meanwhile, Skylake (whose performance I'm sure runs rings around 
the FX5G) runs at 95W TDP.

Then you add in the fact that though AMD's Bulldozer architecture 
allegedly had "8 real cores", there was the recent scandal where we 
discovered that they have 4 FPU's per processor.  

Unless AMD comes up with something amazing, their goose may be 
cooked...possibly roasted over one of their processors.

(Not sure what that means for their GPU business, I use NVidia.)

-- 
 -v
Kernel:4.1.15-sd  Desktop:Xfce 4.12.2  Distro:Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa
CPU: FX4G ... with the components for a new Skylake system sitting behind 
me, waiting for some free time to build.

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Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201601.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2016-01-19 01:50 +0100
  Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 16:17 +0800
  Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads JJ <jj4public@vfemail.net> - 2016-01-19 16:04 +0700
    Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 17:11 +0800
      Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-01-19 06:27 -0500
        Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads "Mr. Man-wai Chang" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2016-01-19 20:55 +0800
      Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2016-01-19 22:55 +0100
        Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-19 15:10 -0700
          Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2016-01-20 03:30 +0100
            Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-20 09:32 -0500
              Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-01-20 15:05 -0500
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-20 15:57 -0500
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads G. Morgan <sealteam6@osama-is-dead.net> - 2016-01-31 00:28 -0600
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-01-31 02:24 -0500
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2016-01-20 23:47 +0100
                AMD vs. Intel vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2016-01-20 23:21 +0000
                Re: AMD vs. Intel chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-21 06:48 -0600
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2016-01-21 19:30 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-21 14:51 -0500
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-01-21 21:18 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-21 17:30 -0500
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-21 20:42 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2016-01-22 07:15 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2016-01-22 08:48 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-22 15:24 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-01-22 23:34 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201601.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2016-01-23 01:58 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2016-01-23 01:47 +0000
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-01-23 11:24 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-23 10:23 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-01-23 18:37 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-24 10:23 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-01-24 23:23 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2016-01-25 05:04 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-25 07:49 -0600
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-25 11:06 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-25 11:05 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2016-01-26 08:02 +0000
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201601.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2016-01-24 19:06 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-24 16:14 -0500
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2016-01-24 15:38 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-01-24 15:59 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-24 10:25 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2016-01-25 08:11 -0600
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-25 10:55 -0500
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-25 11:07 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2016-01-26 01:58 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-01-26 02:05 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2016-01-26 11:24 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-27 12:17 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2016-01-27 21:58 +0000
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2016-01-26 19:55 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2016-01-23 06:20 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-22 10:13 -0500
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-01-22 11:57 -0500
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-22 15:27 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-23 09:37 -0500
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-23 10:28 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2016-01-24 06:21 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-24 10:29 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-01-23 13:06 -0500
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-24 10:36 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-22 06:59 -0600
                Re: AMD vs. Intel GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-22 15:30 -0700
                Re: AMD vs. Intel chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-22 07:25 -0600
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Flasherly <Flasherly@live.com> - 2016-01-21 15:10 -0500
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2016-01-21 21:23 +0100
                Re: AMD vs. Intel Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-21 17:40 -0500
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2016-01-21 10:40 -0500
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads PAS <abc@doremi.net> - 2016-01-21 12:16 -0500
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-21 11:26 -0600
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-01-21 11:31 -0600
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2016-01-21 23:42 +0100
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Slimer <.m@nsn.s> - 2016-01-21 13:08 -0500
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2016-01-21 22:31 +0100
              Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2016-01-20 20:29 +0000
            Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-20 11:53 -0700
              Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2016-01-20 20:59 +0000
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-20 14:29 -0700
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Anonymous <nobody@remailer.paranoici.org> - 2016-01-21 05:44 +0000
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-21 14:17 -0700
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2016-01-22 04:31 +0100
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads GreyCloud <mist@cumulus.com> - 2016-01-21 20:44 -0700
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2016-01-22 08:35 +0100
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2016-01-23 06:13 +0100
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Anonymous <anonymous@hoi-polloi.org> - 2016-01-23 10:03 +0100
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Fritz Wuehler <fritz@spamexpire-201601.rodent.frell.theremailer.net> - 2016-01-23 15:39 +0100
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Jeremy Bentham <nobody@anemone.mooo.com> - 2016-01-24 05:06 +0100
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2016-01-24 10:39 +0100
                Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2016-01-25 00:22 +0100
    Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Paul <nospam@needed.com> - 2016-01-19 05:09 -0500
      Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-30 08:07 +0000
    Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> - 2016-01-19 22:16 +0100
      Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex  Workloads Euclides Zoto <euclides_zoto@optimum.net> - 2016-01-18 18:20 -0800
    Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads Diesel <me@privacy.net> - 2016-01-30 08:07 +0000
      Re: Intel Skylake Processor Bug Causing PCs To Freeze In Complex Workloads "Anonymous Remailer (austria)" <mixmaster@remailer.privacy.at> - 2016-01-30 10:03 +0100

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