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| From | Paul <nospam@needed.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.comp.freeware, alt.comp.os.windows-10, alt.hacker, alt.privacy.anon-server, comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: AMD vs. Intel |
| Date | 2016-01-22 11:57 -0500 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <n7tmt7$ftk$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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Slimer wrote:
> On 2016-01-21 10:42 PM, GreyCloud wrote:
>> On 01/21/16 15:30, Slimer wrote:
>>> On 2016-01-21 3:18 PM, Melzzzzz wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 21 Jan 2016 14:51:14 -0500
>>>> Slimer<.m@nsn.s> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> However, we're ignoring another possibility: if x86-64 becomes too
>>>>> expensive to buy into, PowerPC platforms might return to prominence
>>>>> and computers such as the AmigaOne might actually be noticed by the
>>>>> marketplace.
>>>> ARM is big contender not PowerPC...
>>> Dude, it doesn't matter. Just because ARM is doing well right now
>>> doesn't mean that PowerPC ceased to exist.
>>>
>> The PowerPC series is at G7 level now and IBM uses them soley for servers.
>
> I can imagine. However, a response to x64 becoming much more expensive
> COULD be to settle for other platforms. Intel making its chips
> inaccessible to regular people because of high prices could result in a
> company like IBM slashing the prices of their RISC processors and the
> people behind AmigaOne and MorphOS taking advantage to sell machines
> which can do everything that you would want to do at a fraction of the
> price a Windows x64 set-up would cost you. I'm not saying that it WILL
> happen, I'm saying that it COULD happen.
I don't think you have any idea at all, what's going on.
IBM got rid of its fab. Now, do you think that will change
what kind of a company they are ? Where are your cheap
RISC processors going to come from now ? If they (eventually)
use an outside fab, their chips, ounce for ounce, will cost
the same as everyone else.
http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/20/investing/ibm-sale-earnings/index.html
You may not believe it, but IBM likes "high-margin" projects,
and selling you cheap RISC chips is simply not in their genes.
If you want *anything* from IBM, you will pay dearly for it.
*******
Owning a fab (as Intel does) is like "drug addiction".
Each time the fab needs a $2 billion to $5 billion overhaul,
something has to pay for that. So rather than Intel
producing "whizzy technology because its fun", instead
they're slaves to a balance sheet, struggling to pay
for their next drug fix. If there is even a slight
disturbance in sales volume, it can spell disaster
for their "whole machine". These businesses are
precarious, and getting more so as time passes.
With the Dramurai, the game was "fixed", as some
memory manufacturing companies (companies running their
own 12" wafer lines) were being propped up by money provided
by national governments. However, during the last price dip,
one of the companies got out of the business. So even national
governments don't have deep enough pockets to interfere in the
market forever.
For me, the biggest fear from a strategic point of view,
is not having fabs on our own soil. I think you can understand
why that might be important. But no matter how
important it might be, someone has to pay for
those. And as long as business controls them,
they'll "move freely over the surface of the
planet". Economic forces will determine winners
and losers. TSMC, providing services for multiple
fabless companies, seeks to even out its chip load,
by dealing with multiple designs at the same time.
Unlike an Intel fab that (as far as I know) handles
only Intel business at the moment.
IBM entertained supplying chips to third parties.
They made chips for us. We had their silicon library on
disk, and I could look at the performance characteristics
of their chip tech. But, they couldn't even out their
supply bumps, even by trying "to be their own TSMC".
So if anything, you end up suspecting that there is
just no good business in owning a fab. Being a drug
addict, sucks.
In some cases, the chip fab movement is literal.
Like the chip manufacturing plant that they
put on a barge and moved from North America
to Ireland. I checked one day with a supplier,
to see if I could get a certain chip, and
I was told "those are out of stock for the
next 46 weeks - the chip plant is on a barge somewhere,
out on the ocean". So in some cases, chip plants
actually do move, lock, stock and barrel. For the
life of me, I couldn't figure out how a "barge"
was the best way to do that. Shurely they could have
Fedexed the thing, and had it overnight :-)
Paul
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