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Re: version control systems

From crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups alt.os.linux, alt.os.linux.debian
Subject Re: version control systems
Date 2015-12-30 05:20 -0700
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID <n60i18$j28$1@dont-email.me> (permalink)
References (3 earlier) <deeu36Fpr3rU1@mid.individual.net> <87a8otpbm6.fsf@thumper.dhh.gt.org> <n60aqo$reo$1@dont-email.me> <n60ddv$10e$3@dont-email.me> <878u4cxhqj.fsf@mantic.terraraq.uk>

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Richard Kettlewell wrote:

> Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> writes:
>> crankypuss wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties:
>>> John Hasler wrote:
>>>> Each package is a seperate unit.  Dependency relationships among
>>>> packages are handled on the package level and described by
>>>> standardized metadata in each package.
>>>
>>> IMO that is *extremely* messed up.
>>>
>>>> This makes it possible to build and upload to the archive a new
>>>> version of a package without necessarily making any changes to any
>>>> other package.
>>>
>>> Dependency relationships should be generated from the code, not from
>>> the developer's memory or inclinations to "recommend" this or that.
>>> Dependencies are simply what they are, the information is there in
>>> the source.
>>
>> Not really.  That's why they have "make" files.
> 
> Makefiles aren’t involved in inter-package dependencies.
> 
> Dependencies on libraries are indeed generated from the code, using
> dpkg-shlibdeps.  Other automation may be possible, I’ve not checked.



> Other kinds of dependencies do need to be specified manually.

Specifically non-code components, like default configuration files 
(which imo ought to be generated by the code on first-run), and doc 
files (which imo ought to become dependants because the code actually 
displays them ).

If you can come up with some actual examples of other dependencies that 
cannot be automatically determined, please provide them; I'm of the 
opinion that there should be zero.

-- 
http://totally-portable-software.blogspot.com
  [Sun Nov 22: "Total Portability is not binary"]

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version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-28 04:50 -0700
  Re: version control systems "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2015-12-28 13:56 +0100
  Re: version control systems John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-28 08:03 -0600
    Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-28 19:30 -0700
      Re: version control systems John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-28 21:31 -0600
        Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-29 06:59 -0700
          Re: version control systems John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-29 08:47 -0600
            Re: version control systems Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-12-29 19:42 -0500
            Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 03:01 -0700
              Re: version control systems mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-12-30 10:35 +0000
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 04:41 -0700
                Re: version control systems Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-12-30 20:19 +0000
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-31 02:28 -0700
                Re: version control systems Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2015-12-31 20:46 +0000
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-31 23:12 -0700
                Re: version control systems Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-01 11:40 -0500
                Re: version control systems Mark Carroll <mtbc@ixod.org> - 2016-01-01 17:16 +0000
                Re: version control systems Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-01 13:37 -0500
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-01 15:01 -0700
                Re: version control systems Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2016-01-01 19:19 -0500
                Re: version control systems Jasen Betts <jasen@xnet.co.nz> - 2016-01-02 02:45 +0000
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-02 01:33 -0700
                Re: version control systems Kirk_Von_Rockstein <Kirk_Von_Rockstein@nowhere.invalid> - 2016-01-04 00:55 +0000
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-04 03:38 -0700
                Re: version control systems Mark Carroll <mtbc@ixod.org> - 2016-01-04 12:19 +0000
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2016-01-04 11:19 -0700
              Re: version control systems Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-12-30 05:58 -0500
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 04:50 -0700
                Re: version control systems Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-12-30 08:02 -0500
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 06:43 -0700
                Re: version control systems mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-12-30 14:42 +0000
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 12:14 -0700
              Re: version control systems John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-30 07:30 -0600
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 06:55 -0700
      Re: version control systems "J.O. Aho" <user@example.net> - 2015-12-29 09:20 +0100
        Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-29 07:03 -0700
        Re: version control systems John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-29 08:34 -0600
          Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 03:17 -0700
            Re: version control systems Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-12-30 05:59 -0500
              Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 04:53 -0700
              Re: version control systems Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-30 12:07 +0000
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 05:20 -0700
                Re: version control systems Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-12-30 08:05 -0500
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 06:45 -0700
                Re: version control systems Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2015-12-30 13:59 +0000
                Re: version control systems John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-30 08:28 -0600
                Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 12:21 -0700
            Re: version control systems John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-30 07:45 -0600
              Re: version control systems John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-30 08:30 -0600
                Re: version control systems Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-12-30 14:28 -0500
              Re: version control systems Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2015-12-30 14:28 -0500
            Re: version control systems John Hasler <jhasler@newsguy.com> - 2015-12-30 08:15 -0600
              Re: version control systems crankypuss <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2015-12-30 12:53 -0700
                Re: version control systems mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-12-30 20:33 +0000

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