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| From | Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics |
| Subject | Re: Do neutrinos really have masses? |
| Date | 2015-12-17 09:43 -0600 |
| Organization | Aioe.org NNTP Server |
| Message-ID | <n4ul7q$c15$1@speranza.aioe.org> (permalink) |
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On 12/17/2015 1:42 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote: > On 16/12/2015 7:59 AM, Odd Bodkin wrote: >> On 12/16/2015 2:05 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote: >>> Under Newton, spacetime couldn't bend, warp, or deform in any way >>> whatsoever. Spacetime was simply an empty background, upon which matter >>> and energy played. Spacetime had no properties of its own. >> >> Correct, and then question is not answerable with philosophy. It is, >> however, answerable with experiment. > > Or if not with experiment, with observation. Most of what we know about > spacetime comes from observations, not through direct experiments on it. > The difference between observations and experiments is that observations > just come to us without our help or input. True enough. > >>> Under Einstein, spacetime acquired the ability to deform. That's a >>> property, something that spacetime never had before. Spacetime now gets >>> affected by matter-energy, and in return it affects matter-energy. Never >>> happened under Newton. Whether or not spacetime is "a thing" is no >>> longer a debate, that ship sailed away a long time ago, 100 years ago >>> actually, there is no doubt that spacetime is a thing. >> >> Even earlier, when in fact it was discovered that empty space had >> permittivity, permeability, and impedance. > > Sure, classical electromagnetism pointed us to a lot of previously > unknown properties of spacetime, but nobody realized that they were > properties of spacetime, yet, until Einstein codified it. In fact, at > that time people were thinking these properties were the properties of > something called the Aether, the Aether existed inside spacetime, like > matter did, but it wasn't supposed to be spacetime itself. Spacetime was > just simple dimensions, nothing else, at that point in time. > > The entire of the 20th century was spent showing that these properties > didn't need to be that of something separate from spacetime (The > Aether), they were the properties of spacetime itself. That's because > spacetime is a something, it's an object of its own. That's also true. I think the thing to note though is that what got observed first were the properties. It was supposed for a while that some of the properties were associated with one thing and some other properties were associated with something else possibly, but the great simplification came with realizing that the properties all belong to one thing. > > Yousuf Khan -- Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
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