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Re: CAlive on Google Groups

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On 04/11/15 11:32, Richard Heathfield wrote:
> On 04/11/15 10:00, David Brown wrote:
>> On 03/11/15 14:31, Richard Heathfield wrote:
>>> On 02/11/15 22:45, David Brown wrote:
>>>
>>>> Certainly there are some people in c.l.c. would strongly prefer that
>>>> all
>>>> CAlive discussions take place somewhere else, such as a dedicated
>>>> Google
>>>> Group.
>>>
>>> There are even some people in c.l.c. who would strongly prefer that all
>>> discussions that aren't about C should take place somewhere else,
>>> leaving the comp.lang.c newsgroup for discussions that *are* about C.
>>> Would that really be such a terrible thing? After all, there are tens of
>>> thousands of newsgroups. *Surely* there are places where such
>>> discussions are topical? Or, at least, *more* topical than they are
>>> here. For example, while I would not normally wish "my new language"
>>> discussions on comp.programming, I would suggest that "my new language"
>>> articles are a better fit for that newsgroup than for this one.
>>
>> When choosing a place to post about a topic, do you post it somewhere
>> that it is on topic,
>
> Yes.
>
>> or do you post it somewhere where there are people
>> that might be able to help or give advice?
>
> Yes. The most likely place where there are people who might be able to
> help or give advice is a newsgroup where the topic of my article is
> topical for that newsgroup.
>
>
>> The challenge with something
>> like CAlive is that there are /no/ good newsgroups (or other discussion
>> forums that I know of) where it is on topic, and where there also are
>> experienced and helpful developers who could get involved in the
>> discussion.  Rick has been told repeatedly that c.l.c. is not the right
>> place for CAlive - no one has been able to give him a better
>> alternative.
>
> comp.programming is certainly a better alternative.
>
> comp.lang.misc is a possibility, although I don't subscribe to that
> newsgroup so I can't guarantee it.
>
> comp.lang.implementation might also be a possibility (same caveat applies).
>

As I say, there have been many calls for Rick to post his CAlive stuff 
elsewhere - but few suggestions (until now).  But the point is moot now 
anyway, since he has started his google group.

>> (And have you looked at comp.programming?
>
> Yes, every day.
>
>> Most posts in
>> recent times are by the famous Ramine, and he is a write-only poster.)
>
> Yes, I check it regularly (usually to no avail). But have you noticed
> something about comp.programming? When someone actually asks a
> programming question in there, people /do/ respond. It's just that
> hardly anyone asks. I don't know why that is. Until relatively recently,
> comp.programming was a very lively group, and it could yet be rekindled
> (and usefully so) if only people would ask general programming questions
> in there instead of in comp.lang.c.

Maybe that's true - I have only looked at it on a few occasions. 
Perhaps I will follow it more, in case something interesting turns up.

One thing I notice about several technical discussion groups is that the 
regulars are very good at helping others, and also get in detailed 
discussions amongst themselves - but they rarely start new threads.  So 
we (I include myself here) rely on other people to pick the starting 
topics for threads.  It is strange how eager we are to discuss some 
topics after they come up, yet how poor we are at starting the 
conversations ourselves.

>
>> As Kenny said, the CAlive discussions have at times been entertaining
>> and provoked discussions and thought.  That is not a bad thing, even if
>> the relationship with C is thin.  (For my own part, the irony is that
>> these discussions have strongly encouraged my interest towards C++.)
>
> <shrug> C++ is a fine language. In fact, it's generally my second choice
> after C (and for some things it's my first choice). But of course
> there's a newsgroup for it, and This Isn't It.
>

True - most C++ stuff is best discussed in c.l.c++.  However, there is a 
lot of C++ that is strongly related to C, such as comparisons between 
the languages, a discussion of their differences and pros and cons, how 
idioms from one language might translate from or to C (and whether such 
translation makes sense), and of course there is a great deal of code 
that mixes the two languages.  C, and c.l.c., is not a desert island to 
be isolated from everything else.

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CAlive on Google Groups "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 09:05 -0800
  Re: CAlive on Google Groups "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 09:11 -0800
  Re: CAlive on Google Groups Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-02 19:14 +0100
    Re: CAlive on Google Groups "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:20 -0800
      Re: CAlive on Google Groups Melzzzzz <mel@zzzzz.com> - 2015-11-02 19:23 +0100
        Re: CAlive on Google Groups "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:24 -0800
        Re: CAlive on Google Groups James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-11-02 13:30 -0500
          Re: CAlive on Google Groups "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:32 -0800
            Re: CAlive on Google Groups Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-11-02 18:44 +0000
              Re: CAlive on Google Groups "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 10:46 -0800
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups Lew Pitcher <lew.pitcher@digitalfreehold.ca> - 2015-11-02 14:04 -0500
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 11:21 -0800
            Re: CAlive on Google Groups David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-02 20:25 +0100
              Re: CAlive on Google Groups "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 12:04 -0800
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-02 23:45 +0100
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 17:50 -0800
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-03 00:52 -0800
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-11-03 01:46 -0800
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-03 12:59 +0100
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-03 14:22 +0000
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-03 13:31 +0000
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-04 11:00 +0100
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-04 10:32 +0000
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-04 13:34 +0100
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-04 13:00 +0000
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-11-04 06:25 -0800
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-11-04 20:52 +0100
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-11-04 12:49 -0800
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups James Kuyper <jameskuyper@verizon.net> - 2015-11-04 08:49 -0500
                Newsgroups (Was: CAlive on Google Groups) gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-04 14:29 +0000
                Re: Newsgroups Gareth Owen <gwowen@gmail.com> - 2015-11-08 19:42 +0000
                Re: Newsgroups Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-11-09 02:35 -0800
                Re: Newsgroups Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-10 07:17 +1300
                Re: Newsgroups Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-11-09 18:39 +0000
                Re: Newsgroups Ian Collins <ian-news@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-10 07:45 +1300
                Re: Newsgroups gazelle@shell.xmission.com (Kenny McCormack) - 2015-11-10 00:13 +0000
                Re: CAlive on Google Groups Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-11-04 11:17 +0000

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