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| From | Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> |
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| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Steam Machines at GameStop |
| Date | 2015-10-30 09:47 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <n0vsa7$5fp$2@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
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On 2015-10-30 9:29 AM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: > On Fri, 30 Oct 2015 09:22:10 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote: > >> On 2015-10-29 9:58 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: >>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:51:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-10-29 9:46 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:39:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2015-10-29 9:35 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: >>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:22:09 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2015-10-29 8:39 PM, Ezekiel wrote: >>>>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>> news:d9fqgeFlbv0U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:45:09 -0400, Ezekiel wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>>>>> news:d9elveFc42lU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:25:20 -0500, Nobody wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Just in time for the Xmas shopping season! >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well, you can at least pre-order them according to your link. >>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Will be interesting to see how well Steam does with these. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Yeah..... So how do you think the Steam Machines are going to >>>>>>>>>>> do? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The mobile (tablet/phone) gaming market appears to be the >>>>>>>>>>> largest. >>>>>>>>>>> Other consoles have tried and failed but they didn't have the >>>>>>>>>>> library/ecosystem that Valve has. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From the larger market standpoint, I don't think they'll do all >>>>>>>>>> that well. But then I don't know what they think doing well >>>>>>>>>> means to them. >>>>>>>>>> It is a tough arena to walk into. You've got entrenched >>>>>>>>>> consoles and you've got a huge Windows gaming market too that is >>>>>>>>>> just as well entrenched. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think the big thing is going to be how well the graphics do as >>>>>>>>>> that has been a weak point with Linux for a long time. If Valve >>>>>>>>>> has written some really good drivers for the cards they'll >>>>>>>>>> support in them, then gaining a reasonable share of the market >>>>>>>>>> might just be doable. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Like you said, the key is what Valve considers to be doing well. >>>>>>>>> If it happens, I'm sure that Nobrains will be screaming how it >>>>>>>>> was a huge success because 50,000 consoles were sold. (XBox sold >>>>>>>>> about 6m last Q4.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't see it doing well. The market is too entrenched by >>>>>>>>> heavyweights like Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo. Maybe I'm missing >>>>>>>>> some advantage of a Steam machine but what does it do that >>>>>>>>> Xbox/PS don't already have? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nothing, actually. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Possibly like PC games, more control because of the addition of a >>>>>>> keyboard?? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But then Windows PC game machines already have all that AND all the >>>>>>> games except for exclusives on one platform or another. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'd say that the biggest selling point is the controller the Steam >>>>>> machines offer. It is a new style of controller which gives you the >>>>>> familiarity of a gamepad and the control of a mouse and keyboard. I >>>>>> haven't tried it myself but I imagine it is stellar considering _it_ >>>>>> was the cause of the Steam machines' delay. Valve wanted to provide >>>>>> a perfect experience and so kept testing and re-testing the >>>>>> controller. >>>>>> >>>>> But unless I'm reading the ads wrong, the controller doesn't come >>>>> with the Steam machines. >>>> >>>> I would sincerely doubt that, but it won't stop the advocretins from >>>> calling it a great deal. >>>> >>>>>>>>> These existing consoles have very mature/polished apps for >>>>>>>>> Netflix, >>>>>>>>> YouTube, >>>>>>>>> Skype, Amazon Video, Hulu, etc.Steam will probably have most of >>>>>>>>> these apps but will they be v0.9 and feature complete? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most of those apps don't exist on Linux at all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Exactly. There's no reason to believe that a Steam machine will >>>>>> change that. >>>>>> >>>>>>>> I doubt that they will have ANY of the Skype, Netflix and other >>>>>>>> applications. If they do, it'll take a while before you see them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The biggest factor for me is the "network effect". When 3 of your >>>>>>>>> friends are playing Call of Duty online and you can't play >>>>>>>>> because you have a Steam machine, that's a problem. .If you can't >>>>>>>>> play online with your friends then it's a big problem. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Something I'm facing at the moment as all of my friends play on >>>>>>>> the XBOX One or the PS4 and I'm on a PC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I don't play online games but have wondered if you were playing the >>>>>>> same game but on a different platform, would you be able to join a >>>>>>> game. Guess the answer is no... >>>>>> >>>>>> Apparently, Windows 10 will allow that through their Xbox app. >>>>>> People with an Xbox One and a PC will be able to play against one >>>>>> another but I imagine that it will only work for first-party games. >>>>>> Either way, it's a good selling point. >>>>>> >>>>> I'll need to read about that. My understanding is that the app will >>>>> allow you to play your Xbox games on your PC with W10. I've read >>>>> nothing that would indicate you could have an online gaming session >>>>> with others using it. I'll fiddle with that tomorrow a bit. >>>> >>>> It's possible. I might have read too much into it. >>>> >>>>>>>>> But hey, that's my opinion and Valve thinks otherwise. I'm not a >>>>>>>>> gamer and don't care so it'll be interesting to watch how this >>>>>>>>> unfolds. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I guarantee you that the Steam machine will be a monumental >>>>>>>> failure. >>>>>>>> I have owned consoles since the original Atari VCS and know the >>>>>>>> history of them all extremely well. A Steam machine would have had >>>>>>>> some interest had it released a year before the Xbox One or the >>>>>>>> PS4 did. In fact, it was on a lot of gamers' minds at that time. >>>>>>>> When there were delays, the interest died too; anyone who wanted >>>>>>>> one ended up just getting either of the two main consoles at the >>>>>>>> moment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A few articles I read indicated that there was a lackadaisical >>>>>>> attitude at Valve which resulted in lots of delays. I don't know >>>>>>> if that is a true statement or if they were just having issues >>>>>>> getting great graphics performance out of Linux. >>>>>> >>>>>> I heard it was solely the controller. The graphical issues have >>>>>> always been and will always be a part of Linux. >>>>> >>>>> OT: If you want a really fun and cheap game, take a gander at Tembo >>>>> the Badass Elephant. It is a 2D side scroller (or platformer in >>>>> modern terms) put out by Sega and Game Freak. It is a hoot to play >>>>> if you like that sort of game. >>>>> I've been playing that and a couple Rayman games off and on all day >>>>> as the weather sucked and I didn't want to watch TV. >>>> >>>> Rayman's games are awesome. I used to love Rayman 2 on the Dreamcast >>>> back in the day. The ones they made recently are even better than that >>>> and have a great sense of humour. >>> >>> I've got Rayman Origins for the PS3 and Raymay Legends for the Xbox >>> One. Both great fun! >> >> I played Rayman Origins on the PC and loved it. I also bought Rayman >> Legends for the PS Vita with the expectation that I will get to play it >> the next time I go abroad. If it's anything like Origins, it will be one >> of my favourite games ever. >> > Enjoy your Vita looks like it is being abandoned. Even before it was, it barely got any support. I never should have bought the machine and should have opted for a DS. The biggest problem I have with the Vita is the fact that it is incredibly uncomfortable to use. It just doesn't fit well in the hands at all. I also find it idiotic how certain games require you to get a larger memory card, something which in general is not provided with the system. >>> Though I am a casual player and my age isn't helping me with some of >>> the games, I have the PS3,4, and Xbox One. Looking to get a Wii U very >>> soon as I love the Mario lineup. The Wii u has plenty of them and it >>> is way more backward compatible with previous Nintendo games for their >>> other platforms of the past. >> >> I've always loved Nintendo's systems and their exclusives but they lost >> me once they started to cater to kids rather than adolescents and >> adults. I imagine that they always intended to be a family-friendly >> console but there's only so much of that I can tolerate. Eventually, I >> want to play a real RPG and a shooter. The Wii U, so far anyway, is a >> disaster and they're already looking to replace it. >> > The Wii U is fine from what I've been reading in some other forums, but > the Wii itself set the stage for the path they took. Most that tried it > loved it for a while, but as you noted, too many 'family friendly' games > and such and not enough of other types of games to attract the real > gamers. > > Unfortunately for Nintendo the casual gamer that the Wii and Wii u are > really more suitable for, they don't spend lots of money on games. So if > 'dad' wants some serious gaming but also some kids stuff for his kids, > the Wii u doesn't quite fit the bill and he'd have to buy 2 gaming > systems and that isn't as likely to happen in that marketspace. If Nintendo ever decides to compete directly with the other companies, I'll buy another. Until then, Microsoft's got my money whether it is on the PC or on consoles. >>> November 12 the Xbox One supposedly gets backward compatibility with >>> some Xbox 360 games. With PS Plus when that happens there will be 2 >>> Xbone games and 2 Xbox 360 games free every month for members. I'm >>> looking forward to that. >> >> PS Plus is a PS4 thing. Why would they provide Xbox games? I must be >> misreading your paragraph. > > Or I mistyped it!! :) My bad. I meant to type Xbox Live Gold. I assume that they're competing directly with PS Plus which offers more of the same thing. -- Charmed Tuna
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Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 13:41 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 10:48 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-29 19:45 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-29 20:39 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 21:22 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 21:39 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 21:51 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 09:22 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 13:29 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 09:47 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 13:59 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 10:14 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-30 10:22 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 10:31 -0400
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Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 10:48 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:55 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:36 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-30 10:47 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 12:25 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:34 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 10:37 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:43 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 12:21 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 16:25 +0000
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Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 15:04 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-29 13:26 -0500
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Re: Steam Machines at GameStop ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 14:54 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 15:03 +0000
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