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| From | Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | comp.os.linux.advocacy |
| Subject | Re: Steam Machines at GameStop |
| Date | 2015-10-29 21:51 -0400 |
| Organization | A noiseless patient Spider |
| Message-ID | <n0uib3$6ip$1@dont-email.me> (permalink) |
| References | (4 earlier) <n0ue42$s2g$1@dont-email.me> <n0ugjs$2s2$1@dont-email.me> <d9fvqoFmj11U1@mid.individual.net> <n0uhki$4ia$2@dont-email.me> <d9g0g4Fmj11U2@mid.individual.net> |
On 2015-10-29 9:46 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: > On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:39:36 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote: > >> On 2015-10-29 9:35 PM, Lloyd Parsons wrote: >>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 21:22:09 -0400, Charmed Tuna wrote: >>> >>>> On 2015-10-29 8:39 PM, Ezekiel wrote: >>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:d9fqgeFlbv0U1@mid.individual.net... >>>>>> On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 19:45:09 -0400, Ezekiel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp211@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:d9elveFc42lU2@mid.individual.net... >>>>>>>> On Wed, 28 Oct 2015 23:25:20 -0500, Nobody wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.gamestop.com/steammachine >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just in time for the Xmas shopping season! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, you can at least pre-order them according to your link. :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Will be interesting to see how well Steam does with these. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah..... So how do you think the Steam Machines are going to do? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The mobile (tablet/phone) gaming market appears to be the largest. >>>>>>> Other consoles have tried and failed but they didn't have the >>>>>>> library/ecosystem that Valve has. >>>>>> >>>>>> From the larger market standpoint, I don't think they'll do all that >>>>>> well. But then I don't know what they think doing well means to >>>>>> them. >>>>>> It is a tough arena to walk into. You've got entrenched consoles >>>>>> and you've got a huge Windows gaming market too that is just as well >>>>>> entrenched. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the big thing is going to be how well the graphics do as >>>>>> that has been a weak point with Linux for a long time. If Valve has >>>>>> written some really good drivers for the cards they'll support in >>>>>> them, then gaining a reasonable share of the market might just be >>>>>> doable. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Like you said, the key is what Valve considers to be doing well. If >>>>> it happens, I'm sure that Nobrains will be screaming how it was a >>>>> huge success because 50,000 consoles were sold. (XBox sold about 6m >>>>> last Q4.) >>>>> >>>>> I don't see it doing well. The market is too entrenched by >>>>> heavyweights like Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo. Maybe I'm missing >>>>> some advantage of a Steam machine but what does it do that Xbox/PS >>>>> don't already have? >>>> >>>> Nothing, actually. >>>> >>> Possibly like PC games, more control because of the addition of a >>> keyboard?? >>> >>> But then Windows PC game machines already have all that AND all the >>> games except for exclusives on one platform or another. >> >> I'd say that the biggest selling point is the controller the Steam >> machines offer. It is a new style of controller which gives you the >> familiarity of a gamepad and the control of a mouse and keyboard. I >> haven't tried it myself but I imagine it is stellar considering _it_ was >> the cause of the Steam machines' delay. Valve wanted to provide a >> perfect experience and so kept testing and re-testing the controller. >> > But unless I'm reading the ads wrong, the controller doesn't come with > the Steam machines. I would sincerely doubt that, but it won't stop the advocretins from calling it a great deal. >>>>> These existing consoles have very mature/polished apps for Netflix, >>>>> YouTube, >>>>> Skype, Amazon Video, Hulu, etc.Steam will probably have most of these >>>>> apps but will they be v0.9 and feature complete? >>>> >>>> >>> Most of those apps don't exist on Linux at all. >> >> Exactly. There's no reason to believe that a Steam machine will change >> that. >> >>>> I doubt that they will have ANY of the Skype, Netflix and other >>>> applications. If they do, it'll take a while before you see them. >>>> >>>>> The biggest factor for me is the "network effect". When 3 of your >>>>> friends are playing Call of Duty online and you can't play because >>>>> you have a Steam machine, that's a problem. .If you can't play online >>>>> with your friends then it's a big problem. >>>> >>>> Something I'm facing at the moment as all of my friends play on the >>>> XBOX One or the PS4 and I'm on a PC. >>>> >>> I don't play online games but have wondered if you were playing the >>> same game but on a different platform, would you be able to join a >>> game. Guess the answer is no... >> >> Apparently, Windows 10 will allow that through their Xbox app. People >> with an Xbox One and a PC will be able to play against one another but I >> imagine that it will only work for first-party games. Either way, it's a >> good selling point. >> > I'll need to read about that. My understanding is that the app will > allow you to play your Xbox games on your PC with W10. I've read nothing > that would indicate you could have an online gaming session with others > using it. I'll fiddle with that tomorrow a bit. It's possible. I might have read too much into it. >>>>> But hey, that's my opinion and Valve thinks otherwise. I'm not a >>>>> gamer and don't care so it'll be interesting to watch how this >>>>> unfolds. >>>> >>>> I guarantee you that the Steam machine will be a monumental failure. I >>>> have owned consoles since the original Atari VCS and know the history >>>> of them all extremely well. A Steam machine would have had some >>>> interest had it released a year before the Xbox One or the PS4 did. In >>>> fact, it was on a lot of gamers' minds at that time. When there were >>>> delays, the interest died too; anyone who wanted one ended up just >>>> getting either of the two main consoles at the moment. >>> >>> A few articles I read indicated that there was a lackadaisical attitude >>> at Valve which resulted in lots of delays. I don't know if that is a >>> true statement or if they were just having issues getting great >>> graphics performance out of Linux. >> >> I heard it was solely the controller. The graphical issues have always >> been and will always be a part of Linux. > > OT: If you want a really fun and cheap game, take a gander at Tembo the > Badass Elephant. It is a 2D side scroller (or platformer in modern > terms) put out by Sega and Game Freak. It is a hoot to play if you like > that sort of game. > I've been playing that and a couple Rayman games off and on all day as > the weather sucked and I didn't want to watch TV. Rayman's games are awesome. I used to love Rayman 2 on the Dreamcast back in the day. The ones they made recently are even better than that and have a great sense of humour. -- Charmed Tuna
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Steam Machines at GameStop Nobody <nobody@invalid.com> - 2015-10-28 23:25 -0500
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 13:41 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 10:48 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-29 19:45 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-29 20:39 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 21:22 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 21:39 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 21:51 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 09:22 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 13:29 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 09:47 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 13:59 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 10:14 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-30 10:22 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 10:31 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-10-30 10:42 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 10:48 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:55 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:36 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop "Ezekiel" <zeke@nosuchemail.com> - 2015-10-30 10:47 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 12:25 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:34 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 10:37 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 14:43 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-30 12:21 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-30 16:25 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-29 09:48 -0500
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 14:56 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 15:04 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-10-29 13:26 -0500
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Big Fish in a Small Crotch <bigfishinasmallcrotch@myself.com> - 2015-10-29 14:33 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Charmed Tuna <.m@nsn.s> - 2015-10-29 16:59 -0400
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-10-29 19:56 -0600
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop GreyCloud <cumulus@mist.com> - 2015-10-30 15:48 -0600
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop JEDIDIAH <jedi@nomad.mishnet> - 2015-10-30 11:12 -0500
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2015-11-02 08:02 -0600
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-11-02 14:15 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 18:35 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 15:02 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop ronb <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 14:54 +0000
Re: Steam Machines at GameStop Lloyd Parsons <lloydp211@gmail.com> - 2015-10-29 15:03 +0000
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