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Energy conservation in general relativity

From shuba <tim@sh.uba>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Energy conservation in general relativity
Date 2015-10-26 01:10 +0000
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Phil Bouchard wrote:

> - General Relativity does not respect the laws of the
> conservation of the energy

Energy is conserved *when conditions for energy conservation* are
met. In particular, this means understanding about the continuous
symmetries related to conserved quantities in physics as addressed
by Noether's theorem. Many good descriptions can be found online.

As the one equation in the informative blog post below states, it
is the *covariant derivative* of the energy-momentum tensor which
equals zero in general relativity.

http://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2010/02/22/energy-is-not-conserved/

The covariant derivative differs from the regular derivative; the
former has some "extra terms". That equation involving covariant
derivatives *is* the generalization of the energy and momentum
conservation defined in special relativity and Newtonian physics.

And, as the blog post also says, this has been known for a century.


         ---Tim Shuba---

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--==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- Phil Bouchard <pbouchard8@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 16:33 -0400
  --==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- Phil Bouchard <pbouchard8@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 16:36 -0400
    Phil Bouchard, the utter imbecile, defeated "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-10-24 13:49 -0700
    Re: --==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-24 14:18 -0700
      Re: --==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- Phil Bouchard <pbouchard8@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 17:24 -0400
        Cretinoid Phil Bouchard digs himself into shit. Deeper. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-10-24 14:55 -0700
    Re: --==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- Phil Bouchard <pbouchard8@gmail.com> - 2015-10-24 22:24 -0400
      Imbecile Philippe Bouchard keeps eating shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-10-24 20:20 -0700
    Re: --==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- Phil Bouchard <pbouchard8@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 14:15 -0400
      Lunatic Phil Bouchard goes off the rails "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-10-25 11:38 -0700
        Re: Lunatic Phil Bouchard goes off the rails kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-10-25 14:45 -0400
          Re: Lunatic Phil Bouchard goes off the rails Juan Esteban <esteju@freecannabis.org> - 2015-10-25 18:55 +0000
        Re: Lunatic Phil Bouchard goes off the rails Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-10-26 10:14 -0500
          Re: Lunatic Phil Bouchard goes off the rails pbouchard8@gmail.com - 2015-10-26 09:34 -0700
      Re: --==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-10-25 14:43 -0400
        Re: --==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- Juan Esteban <esteju@freecannabis.org> - 2015-10-25 19:04 +0000
          Re: --==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2015-10-25 21:44 +0100
        Re: --==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- Phil Bouchard <pbouchard8@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 18:11 -0400
          Re: --==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-10-25 19:24 -0400
            Re: --==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- Phil Bouchard <pbouchard8@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 19:37 -0400
              Autistic imbecile Phil Bouchard gets creamed "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-10-25 17:12 -0700
              Energy conservation in general relativity shuba <tim@sh.uba> - 2015-10-26 01:10 +0000
                Re: Energy conservation in general relativity Phil Bouchard <pbouchard8@gmail.com> - 2015-10-25 21:33 -0400
                Re: Energy conservation in general relativity mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2015-10-26 03:26 -0700
              Re: --==>> Einstein, the enemy of the free people of middle earth was defeated <<==-- pbouchard8@gmail.com - 2015-10-26 12:22 -0700

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