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Re: Moon Farmers

From Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Moon Farmers
Date 2015-10-19 16:06 -0400
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JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:

> On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 15:09:14 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>>JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:26:06 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:58:18 -0400, Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sunday, October 18, 2015 at 9:20:06 AM UTC-6, Peter Flass wrote:
>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>> I did too.  I'm very disappointed.  Has anyone analyzed moon rock and soil
>>>>>>>>> to see what it lacks to be able to grow crops (other than water)?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I remember that some lunar material was tested through an attempt to grow plants 
>>>>>>>> in it, and they did very well. This was a news report shortly after the Apollo 11 
>>>>>>>> astronauts returned to Earth, I believe.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> John Savard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I see the ESA is going in with the Russians to build a manned Moon base
>>>>>>> by 2030.  Bye-bye US lead in space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Pointless competition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Besides that, given the formula:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ESA + Russia > USA
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I say, so what?  Are we now expecting Europe to launch missiles at us?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>As far as the moon, we've been there, there is nothing there worth going
>>>>>>back to.  We've also been to Mars (with robots), and there's nothing there either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's a time for astronomy and some targeted interstellar launches.
>>>>>>Yes, I know interstellar surveys take 1000s of years.  So what.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, some of your ancestors told Columbus to not waste his time ?
>>>>
>>>>No, some of my ancestors came over after Columbus found out this was a
>>>>good place to live.
>>>>
>>>>How could you have missed the distinction.
>>>>I clearly said, "nothing there worth going back to".
>>>
>>> I'm disagreeing. Its easier to launch from the moon athan Earth.
>>> Smaller gravity well.
>>
>>I guess it's farther back in the conversation that you're disagreeing
>>with.  Unless you think there's a valid analogy comparing Columbus
>>discovering  the Americas, and living on the moon.
>
> Saying we don't need to go to the moon and stay there is like telling
> Columbus he didn't find anything worth going back for. Clearer ?

Well, we don't have to agree.
I don't agree that you've made the analogy any more correct.
Columbus knew right away that there were reasons to go back.

We did a whole bunch of missions to the moon.
They stopped because we knew the odds of finding anything interesting
had diminished to zero.

>>Yes, the moon has a smaller gravity well.
>>Unless the stuff you launch originates on the moon,  you first launch
>>from the Earth, then you launch again from the moon.  Use the ISS and
>>you don't need to go to the moon or escape the moons gravity.
>
> All of the items I've read said make it on the moon and lauch from
> there. 

I just read one a while back claiming L4 was the only way to go.
The author made a pretty good case.
My bets on a staging area remain with LEO.

-- 
Dan Espen

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Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-16 15:29 +0000
  Re: Moon Farmers jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-17 13:22 +0000
    Re: Moon Farmers "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 05:06 +1100
      Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-18 11:20 -0400
        Re: Moon Farmers Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-18 11:48 -0500
          Re: Moon Farmers Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-18 19:08 +0000
  Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-17 12:23 -0700
    Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-18 11:20 -0400
      Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-18 17:38 +0100
        Re: Moon Farmers Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-18 13:20 -0400
      Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-18 11:53 -0700
        Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-19 07:12 -0400
          Re: Moon Farmers Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-19 09:37 -0400
          Re: Moon Farmers Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-19 09:42 -0400
            Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-19 11:54 -0400
              Re: Moon Farmers "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-20 10:12 +1100
          Re: Moon Farmers David Jones <djones60@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 07:47 -0700
          Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 10:58 -0400
            Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 10:10 -0500
              Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 11:26 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:52 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 15:09 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 14:53 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 16:06 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 18:46 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-19 16:54 -0700
                Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 21:02 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-20 11:25 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-20 07:25 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-20 10:32 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-20 11:55 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-20 17:01 +0000
                Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-20 10:23 -0700
                Re: Moon Farmers Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-20 13:25 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-20 19:43 +0000
                Re: Moon Farmers Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-20 16:51 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-21 03:08 -0700
                Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-21 09:54 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-19 20:14 +0100
              Re: Moon Farmers Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-19 11:40 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 13:53 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-20 10:11 +1100
            Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-19 11:54 -0400
              Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 12:07 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-19 12:41 -0700
              Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-19 12:35 -0700
            Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-19 16:08 +0000
              Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 13:22 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-19 18:53 +0100
                Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-19 18:54 +0000
                Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 15:20 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 14:54 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 16:07 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-19 21:14 +0100
                Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 17:51 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-20 09:35 +0100
                Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-19 20:22 +0100
            Re: Moon Farmers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-10-19 15:40 -0400
              Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-19 12:43 -0700
                Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 15:59 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-20 07:25 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-20 12:13 +0000
                Re: Moon Farmers Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-20 18:04 +0000
                Re: Moon Farmers Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-21 14:21 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-21 19:52 +0000
                Re: Moon Farmers Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-21 15:13 -0500
                Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-21 17:19 -0700
                Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-22 10:03 +0100
                Re: Moon Farmers Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-22 11:53 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-23 06:29 +0100
                Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-22 17:46 +0000
                Re: Moon Farmers Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-23 05:57 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-22 09:39 -0700
                Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-22 17:48 +0000
                Re: Moon Farmers Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-22 17:45 -0700
                Re: Moon Farmers "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-23 05:57 +1100
                Re: Moon Farmers Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-22 17:56 -0700
                Re: Moon Farmers "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-23 13:10 +1100
                Re: Moon Farmers Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-22 23:32 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-21 20:07 +0000
                Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-22 17:50 +0000
                Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-20 14:10 +0100
                Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-20 15:42 +0000
                Re: Moon Farmers Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-20 19:07 +0100
                Re: Moon Farmers Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-11-20 21:20 -0500
              Re: Moon Farmers Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-19 15:56 -0400
                Re: Moon Farmers JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-19 18:43 -0500
            Re: Moon Farmers Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-19 18:00 -0400
          Re: Moon Farmers "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-20 10:08 +1100
      Re: Moon Farmers Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-18 19:10 +0000
      Re: Moon Farmers "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-19 15:30 +1100
      Re: Moon Farmers scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-19 13:15 +0000
    Re: Moon Farmers Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-18 13:25 -0400

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