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Re: rationality

From Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: rationality
Date 2015-10-14 12:00 -0500
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On 13-Oct-15 06:21, Simon Turner wrote:
> stephen@sprunk.org "Stephen Sprunk" wrote:
>> On 08-Oct-15 06:02, Simon Turner wrote:
>>> A friend claims that there's no such thing as pure altruism:
>>> people who do apparently altruistic things are doing it for their
>>> own benefit, either because of the warm glow it gives them, or
>>> because at some level they will indirectly benefit from their
>>> act.  I'm not sure I agree, but it's an interesting idea.
>> 
>> As uncomfortable as that theory may be, it seems to be the
>> prevailing one, and so far I can't find any logical flaws or
>> counter-examples.
> 
> The more I think about it, neither can I; but while it may be the 
> prevailing view, it seems to me to be unhelpful, and depends so much
> on the definition you choose to adopt for "altruism": if you define 
> altruism as "doing something for the benefit of others where there is
> no possibility of deriving any satisfaction from the act", it
> becomes trivially true, and therefore uninteresting.

Indeed.  Defining a word in a way that allows you to reach a certain
conclusion about it seems intellectually dishonest, though I can't find
a specific logical fallacy that it falls under; "begging the question"
and "assuming the conclusion" come close but don't quite fit.

Unfortunately, I read this theory long enough ago, and it had such an
impact on my thinking because it was so shocking, that I can't recall
whether this definition matched the one I already had in my head--if I
had a specific one at all.

> ISTM rather less clear if you define altruism as "self-sacrifice for
> the benefit of others being the highest moral duty, without which
> there is no justification for existence", which is pretty much what
> its original definition was,

I'm not sure of that.  Weight should be given to Comte since he coined
the word, but I can't find a specific quote from him that looks like a
formal definition.  Overall, it seems he believed that one had a moral
obligation to serve others, but it's unclear that he believed one was
not allowed to benefit (directly or indirectly) from doing so.

> and seems to have been the version that Ayn Rand was arguing against;
> it would be perfectly possible to be altruistic in that scenario, as
> there is no prohibition against getting a warm glow from the act of
> self-sacrifice (indeed, one could argue that the warm glow was the
> whole point: the more altrustic you are, the more self-righteous you
> can -- should? -- feel).

If one's primary motivation is the "warm glow" and benefit to others is
secondary, then I'd argue it is not actually altruism.  If the two are
reversed, it probably is.  Such a distinction probably isn't useful,
though, since an observer can't reliably determine their relation.

> It's interesting that Altruists International (I wonder where they
> got their mandate to speak for all altruists?) have three definitions
> of altruism, none of which precludes getting a warm glow.
> 
> http://www.altruists.org/about/altruism/

#1 seems unhelpfully vague; #2 is the most exact, but #3 is probably the
most useful to laymen and this discussion in particular.

It's interesting the number of ways that one can appear to say the same
thing yet, after applying the same logic, produce entirely different
results.

>> Hitchens made an IMHO rather strong case as devil's advocate
>> against Mother Theresa's canonization.  His arguments and evidence
>> were quite specific to her, as required by the context, but
>> considering she is the canonical example of pure altruism...
> 
> A strong case indeed.  Watching Hitchens's 1994 film, I was rather 
> struck by a statement from Mother Teresa herself:
> 
> Right from the very beginning, I wanted to serve the poor purely for 
> the love of God.
> 
> I find myself speculating about which definition of altruism that
> view fits in with...

I'm not sure it does, actually.  To do something for the "love of God"
does not necessarily imply that one loves all His (alleged) creations,
but if so, that would seem to fit #1.

However, Hitchens showed quite convincingly that she cared more about
her service to God (and herself) than about serving the poor, which
seems to go against _every_ definition of altruism I've found so far.

S

-- 
Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking

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                Re: power supplies Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-09-23 08:32 +0000
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:44 +0000
                Re: power supplies "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 19:17 -0500
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-23 23:35 -0400
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-24 07:19 +0000
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-23 23:41 -0400
                Re: power supplies Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-09-28 09:34 +0000
                Re: power supplies Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-28 10:29 +0000
                Re: power supplies "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-28 06:28 -0500
                Re: power supplies Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-28 13:05 +0000
                Re: power supplies JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 10:07 -0500
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-28 16:09 -0400
                Re: power supplies Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-29 07:04 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-28 16:28 +0000
                Re: power supplies lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-28 19:28 +0200
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-28 16:00 -0400
                Re: power supplies rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-09-29 06:09 +0000
                Re: power supplies Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-23 08:58 +0000
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:45 +0000
                Re: power supplies "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 19:20 -0500
                Re: power supplies Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-09-23 08:18 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 11:09 -0500
                Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-23 16:31 +0000
                Re: power supplies Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-23 11:20 -0700
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:45 +0000
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 07:38 -0700
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:44 +0000
                Re: power supplies jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-24 13:35 +0000
                Re: power supplies sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-09-30 18:35 -0400
                Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-01 13:17 +0000
                Re: power supplies "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-01 08:27 -0500
                Re: power supplies jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-02 13:11 +0000
                Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-02 14:42 +0000
                Re: power supplies Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-02 19:17 +0100
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-02 15:14 -0400
                Re: power supplies JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 14:20 -0500
                Re: power supplies Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-02 20:15 -0500
                Re: power supplies Michele <havana9@bigmailbox.net> - 2015-10-04 23:41 +0200
                Re: power supplies jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-01 13:27 +0000
                Re: power supplies Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-10-04 14:22 +0000
                Re: power supplies "Hanny Z" <hz@nospam.com> - 2015-10-05 03:46 +1100
                Re: power supplies Michele <havana9@bigmailbox.net> - 2015-10-04 23:51 +0200
                Re: power supplies jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-05 12:47 +0000
                Re: power supplies Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-10-05 17:29 +0000
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-05 07:16 -0700
                Re: power supplies Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-05 15:37 +0100
                Re: power supplies Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-10-05 17:35 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-09-23 09:53 +0100
                Re: power supplies Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-23 10:14 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-09-23 13:50 +0100
                Re: power supplies Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-23 20:16 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 16:46 -0500
                Re: power supplies Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-23 12:42 -0500
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-23 14:50 -0400
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 07:51 -0700
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-22 10:31 -0700
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-24 14:18 -0500
                Re: power supplies lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-24 21:36 +0200
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-24 15:05 -0500
                Re: power supplies lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-24 22:21 +0200
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 13:49 -0700
                steam coold, too, was: power supplies danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-09-25 02:22 +0000
                Re: steam coold, too, was: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-25 07:17 -0700
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 13:44 -0700
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-25 10:36 -0500
                Re: power supplies "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-25 10:51 -0500
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-25 14:10 -0500
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-25 12:33 -0700
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-25 15:07 -0500
                Re: power supplies Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-25 20:21 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-26 16:04 -0500
                Re: power supplies Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-27 07:01 -0400
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-25 16:42 +0000
                Re: power supplies sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-09-30 18:42 -0400
                Re: power supplies Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:14 +0200
                Re: power supplies Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 15:43 +0100
                Re: power supplies Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com> - 2015-09-23 07:47 -0600
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 20:20 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 15:41 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:26 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-22 23:58 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 15:48 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2015-09-24 12:13 +0800
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 11:30 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 21:52 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 18:10 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:35 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 20:27 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-22 01:55 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:36 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-09-21 22:11 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 16:02 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-22 10:40 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-22 17:23 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-22 10:46 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-22 17:23 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-23 06:57 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-23 08:57 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-09-22 10:51 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-23 02:29 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-23 10:14 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-23 19:23 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-23 11:34 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 14:58 -0500
                accurate watches, was: Decimal point character and billions danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-09-23 20:51 +0000
                Re: accurate watches, was: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 16:49 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 19:05 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 19:01 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 07:47 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-24 18:52 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 12:14 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-24 16:00 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-25 01:23 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-25 09:07 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-23 14:52 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-23 14:05 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-23 12:55 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 16:13 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-24 00:46 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-24 07:19 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-24 17:50 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-22 10:53 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-23 02:30 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-22 22:12 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-23 06:58 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-22 19:22 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-23 10:14 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-23 10:00 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-24 07:43 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-23 12:46 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 18:56 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-24 04:05 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-23 22:31 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-24 15:49 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-24 11:05 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-24 16:30 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 08:12 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-24 18:52 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-24 16:02 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-25 01:23 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:28 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:17 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2015-09-22 11:41 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-23 14:46 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-23 17:12 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-23 10:45 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:26 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-21 22:09 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:25 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-22 07:00 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-21 21:37 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-20 18:26 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-20 19:34 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-20 22:27 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-21 09:16 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 15:33 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-09-20 15:39 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 16:31 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-21 21:37 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-20 16:26 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-20 21:28 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-21 09:23 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-09-20 10:22 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-20 16:48 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 16:01 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-20 22:27 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions mausg@mail.com - 2015-09-21 10:28 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 16:29 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions mausg@mail.com - 2015-09-21 20:03 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 21:49 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-21 17:05 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-21 18:03 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-09-22 00:45 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-20 12:56 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 15:52 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 01:20 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-21 18:07 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-20 18:18 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 16:20 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-20 19:23 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 10:08 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 14:11 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-22 10:48 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-26 17:08 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 13:50 +1000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-28 05:43 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-28 10:08 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 10:03 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-28 10:55 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 12:36 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-28 09:54 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 13:20 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-28 19:02 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 15:12 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-28 17:01 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 17:15 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-28 17:05 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-28 20:49 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-29 07:32 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-28 18:36 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-29 03:07 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-29 10:38 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-29 12:53 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-29 18:15 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-29 12:14 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-29 12:24 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-29 20:26 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-30 12:16 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-01 10:32 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-29 17:32 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-29 07:47 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-29 07:36 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-29 13:35 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-29 10:26 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-29 17:15 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-30 11:52 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-30 22:54 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 09:02 +1000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-30 21:59 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 14:49 +1000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-09-30 20:09 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-01 05:47 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-10-01 15:13 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 05:40 +1000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-29 14:34 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 13:45 +1000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-30 11:59 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-30 19:14 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-28 14:56 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 16:08 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-28 13:30 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 17:12 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-29 13:55 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-29 15:02 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-28 17:13 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 21:22 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-29 07:52 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 07:52 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-02 16:41 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 18:55 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-05 16:10 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-05 16:20 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-06 16:05 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-06 17:17 -0500
                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-07 08:27 -0700
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-07 15:22 -0500
                Re: rationality David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-07 21:42 +0100
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-07 18:01 -0500
                Re: rationality simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-08 12:02 +0100
                Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 13:19 +0200
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-08 11:41 -0500
                Re: rationality Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-09 11:25 +0100
                Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-08 07:49 -0500
                Re: rationality simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-09 13:02 +0100
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 10:32 -0700
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 18:46 +0000
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 15:07 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 20:56 +0000
                Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-09 19:16 +0000
                Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-09 23:59 -0300
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-10 12:03 -0700
                Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-08 11:17 -0500
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 15:28 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 18:29 +0000
                Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-08 13:21 -0700
                Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-14 11:41 -0700
                Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-14 14:45 -0500
                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-14 22:02 +0000
                Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-15 03:21 -0300
                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-15 08:53 +0000
                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-14 13:53 -0700
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 11:32 -0500
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 10:36 -0700
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 18:46 +0000
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 15:15 -0500
                Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-09 22:50 +0200
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 15:06 -0500
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 13:49 -0700
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 14:02 -0700
                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-09 14:23 -0400
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 15:20 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 20:56 +0000
                Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 16:24 -0500
                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-10 09:16 -0400
                Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-10 15:00 -0300
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-10 20:11 -0500
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:19 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 22:21 +0000
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:32 -0500
                Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-10 21:47 -0500
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-12 15:54 -0500
                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-12 21:39 +0000
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 19:43 -0400
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-12 21:29 -0700
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 16:33 -0500
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-13 15:25 -0700
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-13 19:06 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 05:39 +0000
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-14 11:23 -0500
                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-14 12:46 +0000
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 09:17 -0400
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 09:24 -0700
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 13:01 -0400
                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-14 19:04 +0000
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 16:20 -0400
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 16:24 -0500
                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-14 09:34 -0700
                Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-12 17:59 -0500
                Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 02:05 -0300
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:23 +0000
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 17:05 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 03:15 +0000
                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-14 09:45 -0700
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-13 15:13 -0700
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 20:52 -0400
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 03:29 -0700
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 03:45 -0700
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 08:20 -0400
                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-14 09:56 -0700
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 18:21 +0000
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 16:16 -0400
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-14 16:50 -0500
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 21:59 -0400
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 11:05 -0500
                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-15 06:43 -0400
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 10:58 -0500
                Re: rationality scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-15 16:41 +0000
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 12:24 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-15 17:51 +0000
                Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-15 18:40 +0000
                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-15 07:12 -0700
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 10:48 -0500
                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-15 12:27 -0400
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 11:37 -0500
                Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-15 13:40 -0500

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