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Re: rationality

From Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: rationality
Date 2015-10-14 11:41 -0700
Organization Wheeler&Wheeler
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Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> writes:
> for a long time economics assumed that people would make rational
> choices ... but that has been increasingly debunked
> https://hbr.org/2009/07/the-end-of-rational-economics

Key member of Swedish Academy of Sciences calls for immediate suspension
of the "Nobel Prize for Economics"
https://rwer.wordpress.com/2015/10/11/key-member-of-swedish-academy-of-sciences-calls-for-immediate-suspension-of-the-nobel-prize-for-economics/

The Prize in contravention of the spirit of Nobel's will

Can contribute to increased corruption. Multiple independent research
shows that those who study economics are more prone to corruption.

... snip ...

Lazy econ critiques
http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2015/10/lazy-econ-critiques.html

Economists' Tribal Thinking
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/economists-tribal-thinking/403075/
Economics Has a Math Problem
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-09-01/economics-has-a-math-problem

When things were crashing, there were articles about it was all because
of faulty (risk management) math ... turns out misdirection and
obfuscation; risk managers were reporting that business executives were
forcing them to approve deals ... and a call to make risk dept. immune
from business executive pressure.

How Wall Street Lied to Its Computers
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/how-wall-streets-quants-lied-to-their-computers/
Subprime = Triple-A ratings? or 'How to Lie with Statistics'
http://www.stockwizard.eu/triple.html?page=4

2007 reference to 2005 article explaining how their lies weren't even
good math

How Conventional CDO Analytics Missed the Mark
http://www.bobsguide.com/guide/news/2007/Dec/20/Kamakura_Releases_Study:_How_Conventional_CDO_Analytics_Missed_the_Mark.html

The next were reports of consultant hired by wallstreet that was
recommending that they tie up all the prominent economists, hire them,
put them on retainers, give large grants to univ. depts., etc. ... in
order to bias their public views

How Economists Contributed to the Financial Crisis
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2012/02/06/economics-crisis/

"Inside Job" references how leading economists were captured similar to
the capture of the regulatory agencies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_%28film%29 "Economists and the
Powerful: Convenient Theories, Distorted Facts, Ample Rewards" goes into
the capture of economists in more detail
http://www.amazon.com/Economists-Powerful-Convenient-Distorted-ebook/dp/B009K44OW2

loc72-74: "Only through having been caught so blatantly with their noses
in the troughs (e.g. the 2011 Academy Award -- winning documentary
Inside Job) has the American Economic Association finally been forced to
adopt an ethical code, and that code is weak and incomplete compared
with other disciplines."

loc957-62: The AEA was pushed into action by a damning research report
into the systematic concealment of conflicts of interest by top
financial economists and by a letter from three hundred economists who
urged the association to come up with a code of ethics. Epstein and
Carrick-Hagenbarth (2010) have shown that many highly influential
financial economists in the US hold roles in the private financial
sector, from serving on boards to owning the respective companies. Many
of these have written on financial regulation in the media or in
scholarly papers. Very rarely have they disclosed their affiliations to
the financial industry in their writing or in their testimony in front
of Congress, thus concealing a potential conflict of interest.

Securitized mortgages (CDOs) had been used during the S&L crisis to
obfuscate fraudulent mortgages (posterchild were office bldgs in
Dallas/Ft.Worth area that turned out to be empty lots. In the late 90s,
I was asked to look at improving the integrity of supporting documents
as countermeasures. Then loan originators were securitizing
loans&mortgages (CDOs) and paying for triple-A ratings (when both the
sellers and the rating agencies knew they weren't worth triple-A, from
Oct2008 congressional testimony). Triple-A rating trumps supporting
documentation and they can start doing no-documentation liar
loans. Being able to pay for triple-A eliminated any reason for loan
originators to care about borrowers' qualifications or loan quality,
they could sell off (all loans as fast as they could be made) to
customers restricted to dealing in "safe" investments (like large
pension funds, claim is it accounts for 30% loss in funds and trillions
shortfall for pensions), largely enabling being able to do over $27T
2001-2008
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&refer=home&sid=a0jln3.CSS6c

It wasn't good math, but in addition, it was based on the underlying
fabricated "triple-A" ratings

John Foster Dulles played major role in rebuilding Germany's economy and
military during 20s&30s. The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles,
and Their Secret World War,

loc865-68: In mid-1931 a consortium of American banks, eager to
safeguard their investments in Germany, persuaded the German government
to accept a loan of nearly $500 million to prevent default. Foster was
their agent. His ties to the German government tightened after Hitler
took power at the beginning of 1933 and appointed Foster's old friend
Hjalmar Schacht as minister of economics.

loc873-79: Sullivan & Cromwell floated the first American bonds issued
by the giant German steelmaker and arms manufacturer Krupp A.G.,
extended I.G. Farben's global reach, and fought successfully to block
Canada's effort to restrict the export of steel to German arms makers.

loc905-7: Foster was stunned by his brother's suggestion that Sullivan &
Cromwell quit Germany. Many of his clients with interests there,
including not just banks but corporations like Standard Oil and General
Electric, wished Sullivan & Cromwell to remain active regardless of
political conditions.

loc938-40: At least one other senior partner at Sullivan & Cromwell,
Eustace Seligman, was equally disturbed. In October 1939, six weeks
after the Nazi invasion of Poland, he took the extraordinary step of
sending Foster a formal memorandum disavowing what his old friend was
saying about Nazism

and How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

From the law of unintended consequences ... when the 1943 US Strategic
Bombing program needed location of military & industrial targets in
Germany, it got them from wallstreet.

June1940, Germany had a victory celebration at the Waldorf-Astoria in
NYC with major corporations. Lots of them were there to hear how to do
business with the Nazi's, Intrepid: loc1901-4: One prominent figure at
the German victory celebration was Torkild Rieber, of Texaco, whose
tankers eluded the British blockade. The company had already been
warned, at Roosevelt's instigation, about violations of the Neutrality
Law. But Rieber had set up an elaborate scheme for shipping oil and
petroleum products through neutral ports in South America. With the
Germans now preparing to turn the English Channel into what Churchill
thought would become "river of blood," other industrialists were eager
to learn from Texaco how to do more business with Hitler.

Dec1940, 5,000 industrialists from across the nation have annual meeting
at Waldorf-Astoria in NYC. They had gotton such a bad reputation with
WW1 war profiteering, crash of '29, the depression, supporting Hitler
and Nazis, etc ... they decide to launch major propaganda campaign.

former CIA director and then VP claims he didn't know anything about
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
because he was fulltime administration point person deregulating
financial industry ... creating S&L crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis
along with other members of his family
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_crisis#Silverado_Savings_and_Loan
and another
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE0D81E3BF937A25753C1A966958260
more recent:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/12/jeb-bush-forest-gump-financial-improprieties.html

then last decade, another son presides over the economic mess, 70 times
larger than the S&L crises.

-- 
virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970

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                Re: Decimal point character and billions jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-21 12:36 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 15:43 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-20 20:03 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-21 07:00 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-21 09:19 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 11:36 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 10:15 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-21 09:14 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-21 21:33 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-22 11:51 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-21 07:03 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 16:29 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 11:39 -0500
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-21 10:35 -0700
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 13:45 -0500
                Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 15:00 -0500
                Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-22 14:01 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-22 10:29 -0500
                Re: power supplies Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-09-22 15:47 +0100
                Re: power supplies Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 16:27 +0100
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-22 17:23 +0000
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-22 14:28 -0400
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-22 11:58 -0700
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 04:37 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-22 15:09 -0500
                Re: power supplies Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-22 18:11 -0700
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-22 22:16 -0400
                Re: power supplies JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-23 07:37 -0500
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 11:06 -0500
                Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-23 16:33 +0000
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 07:26 -0700
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 04:37 +0000
                Re: power supplies Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-09-23 08:32 +0000
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:44 +0000
                Re: power supplies "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 19:17 -0500
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-23 23:35 -0400
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-24 07:19 +0000
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-23 23:41 -0400
                Re: power supplies Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-09-28 09:34 +0000
                Re: power supplies Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-28 10:29 +0000
                Re: power supplies "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-28 06:28 -0500
                Re: power supplies Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-28 13:05 +0000
                Re: power supplies JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 10:07 -0500
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-28 16:09 -0400
                Re: power supplies Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-29 07:04 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-28 16:28 +0000
                Re: power supplies lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-28 19:28 +0200
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-28 16:00 -0400
                Re: power supplies rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-09-29 06:09 +0000
                Re: power supplies Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-23 08:58 +0000
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:45 +0000
                Re: power supplies "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 19:20 -0500
                Re: power supplies Jorgen Grahn <grahn+nntp@snipabacken.se> - 2015-09-23 08:18 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 11:09 -0500
                Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-23 16:31 +0000
                Re: power supplies Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-09-23 11:20 -0700
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:45 +0000
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 07:38 -0700
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-23 19:44 +0000
                Re: power supplies jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-09-24 13:35 +0000
                Re: power supplies sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-09-30 18:35 -0400
                Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-01 13:17 +0000
                Re: power supplies "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-01 08:27 -0500
                Re: power supplies jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-02 13:11 +0000
                Re: power supplies scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-02 14:42 +0000
                Re: power supplies Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-02 19:17 +0100
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-02 15:14 -0400
                Re: power supplies JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 14:20 -0500
                Re: power supplies Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-02 20:15 -0500
                Re: power supplies Michele <havana9@bigmailbox.net> - 2015-10-04 23:41 +0200
                Re: power supplies jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-01 13:27 +0000
                Re: power supplies Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-10-04 14:22 +0000
                Re: power supplies "Hanny Z" <hz@nospam.com> - 2015-10-05 03:46 +1100
                Re: power supplies Michele <havana9@bigmailbox.net> - 2015-10-04 23:51 +0200
                Re: power supplies jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-05 12:47 +0000
                Re: power supplies Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-10-05 17:29 +0000
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-05 07:16 -0700
                Re: power supplies Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-10-05 15:37 +0100
                Re: power supplies Whiskers <catwheezel@operamail.com> - 2015-10-05 17:35 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-09-23 09:53 +0100
                Re: power supplies Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-23 10:14 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Wolstenholme <steve@easynn.com> - 2015-09-23 13:50 +0100
                Re: power supplies Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-23 20:16 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 16:46 -0500
                Re: power supplies Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-23 12:42 -0500
                Re: power supplies Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-23 14:50 -0400
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 07:51 -0700
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-22 10:31 -0700
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-24 14:18 -0500
                Re: power supplies lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-24 21:36 +0200
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-24 15:05 -0500
                Re: power supplies lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-24 22:21 +0200
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 13:49 -0700
                steam coold, too, was: power supplies danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-09-25 02:22 +0000
                Re: steam coold, too, was: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-25 07:17 -0700
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 13:44 -0700
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-25 10:36 -0500
                Re: power supplies "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-25 10:51 -0500
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-25 14:10 -0500
                Re: power supplies hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-25 12:33 -0700
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-25 15:07 -0500
                Re: power supplies Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-25 20:21 +0000
                Re: power supplies Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-26 16:04 -0500
                Re: power supplies Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-27 07:01 -0400
                Re: power supplies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-25 16:42 +0000
                Re: power supplies sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-09-30 18:42 -0400
                Re: power supplies Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:14 +0200
                Re: power supplies Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 15:43 +0100
                Re: power supplies Dave Pitts <dpitts@cozx.com> - 2015-09-23 07:47 -0600
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 20:20 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 15:41 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:26 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-22 23:58 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 15:48 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Bernd Felsche <berfel@innovative.iinet.net.au> - 2015-09-24 12:13 +0800
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 11:30 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 21:52 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 18:10 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:35 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 20:27 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-22 01:55 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:36 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-09-21 22:11 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-22 16:02 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-22 10:40 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-22 17:23 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-22 10:46 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-22 17:23 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-23 06:57 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-23 08:57 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-09-22 10:51 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-23 02:29 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-23 10:14 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-23 19:23 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-23 11:34 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 14:58 -0500
                accurate watches, was: Decimal point character and billions danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> - 2015-09-23 20:51 +0000
                Re: accurate watches, was: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 16:49 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 19:05 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 19:01 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 07:47 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-24 18:52 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 12:14 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-24 16:00 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-25 01:23 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-25 09:07 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-23 14:52 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-23 14:05 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-23 12:55 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-23 16:13 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-24 00:46 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-24 07:19 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-24 17:50 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-22 10:53 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-23 02:30 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-22 22:12 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-23 06:58 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-22 19:22 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-23 10:14 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-23 10:00 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-24 07:43 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-23 12:46 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-23 18:56 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-24 04:05 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-23 22:31 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-24 15:49 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-24 11:05 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-24 16:30 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-24 08:12 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-24 18:52 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-24 16:02 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-25 01:23 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:28 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:17 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Jack Myers" <jmyers@n6wuz.net> - 2015-09-22 11:41 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-23 14:46 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-23 17:12 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-23 10:45 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 23:26 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-21 22:09 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-22 08:25 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-09-22 07:00 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-21 21:37 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-20 18:26 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-20 19:34 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-20 22:27 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-21 09:16 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 15:33 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions cmadams@cmadams.net (Chris Adams) - 2015-09-20 15:39 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 16:31 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-21 21:37 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-20 16:26 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-09-20 21:28 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-21 09:23 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-09-20 10:22 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-20 16:48 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 16:01 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-20 22:27 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions mausg@mail.com - 2015-09-21 10:28 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-21 16:29 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions mausg@mail.com - 2015-09-21 20:03 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 21:49 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-09-21 17:05 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-21 18:03 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions sidd@situ.com (sidd) - 2015-09-22 00:45 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-20 12:56 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 15:52 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 01:20 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions lawrence@cluon.com - 2015-09-21 18:07 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-09-20 18:18 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-20 16:20 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-20 19:23 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-21 10:08 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-21 14:11 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-22 10:48 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-26 17:08 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 13:50 +1000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-28 05:43 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-28 10:08 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-28 10:03 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-28 10:55 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 12:36 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-28 09:54 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 13:20 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-28 19:02 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 15:12 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-28 17:01 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 17:15 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-28 17:05 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-09-28 20:49 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-29 07:32 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-28 18:36 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-29 03:07 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-29 10:38 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-29 12:53 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-29 18:15 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-29 12:14 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-09-29 12:24 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Andrew Swallow <am.swallow@btinternet.com> - 2015-09-29 20:26 +0100
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-30 12:16 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-01 10:32 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-09-29 17:32 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name> - 2015-09-29 07:47 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-29 07:36 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-29 13:35 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-29 10:26 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-29 17:15 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-30 11:52 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-30 22:54 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 09:02 +1000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-09-30 21:59 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-10-01 14:49 +1000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-09-30 20:09 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-01 05:47 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Walter Bushell <proto@panix.com> - 2015-10-01 15:13 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 05:40 +1000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-29 14:34 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Sam Thatch" <st342@gmail.com> - 2015-09-30 13:45 +1000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-30 11:59 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-30 19:14 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-28 14:56 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 16:08 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-09-28 13:30 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 17:12 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-09-29 13:55 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-09-29 15:02 +0000
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-09-28 17:13 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-09-28 21:22 -0400
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-09-29 07:52 +0200
                Re: Decimal point character and billions JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-09-29 07:52 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-02 16:41 -0700
                Re: Decimal point character and billions JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-02 18:55 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-05 16:10 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-05 16:20 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-06 16:05 -0500
                Re: Decimal point character and billions Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-06 17:17 -0500
                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-07 08:27 -0700
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-07 15:22 -0500
                Re: rationality David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-07 21:42 +0100
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-07 18:01 -0500
                Re: rationality simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-08 12:02 +0100
                Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-08 13:19 +0200
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-08 11:41 -0500
                Re: rationality Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-09 11:25 +0100
                Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-08 07:49 -0500
                Re: rationality simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-09 13:02 +0100
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 10:32 -0700
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 18:46 +0000
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 15:07 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 20:56 +0000
                Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-09 19:16 +0000
                Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-09 23:59 -0300
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-10 12:03 -0700
                Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-08 11:17 -0500
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 15:28 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-08 18:29 +0000
                Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-08 13:21 -0700
                Re: rationality Anne & Lynn Wheeler <lynn@garlic.com> - 2015-10-14 11:41 -0700
                Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-14 14:45 -0500
                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-14 22:02 +0000
                Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-15 03:21 -0300
                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-15 08:53 +0000
                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-14 13:53 -0700
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 11:32 -0500
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 10:36 -0700
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 18:46 +0000
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 15:15 -0500
                Re: rationality Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-09 22:50 +0200
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 15:06 -0500
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 13:49 -0700
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-09 14:02 -0700
                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-09 14:23 -0400
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-09 15:20 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 20:56 +0000
                Re: rationality JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 16:24 -0500
                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-10 09:16 -0400
                Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-10 15:00 -0300
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-10 20:11 -0500
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-09 16:19 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-09 22:21 +0000
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-10 18:32 -0500
                Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-10 21:47 -0500
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-12 15:54 -0500
                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-12 21:39 +0000
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-12 19:43 -0400
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-12 21:29 -0700
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 16:33 -0500
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-13 15:25 -0700
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-13 19:06 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 05:39 +0000
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-14 11:23 -0500
                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-14 12:46 +0000
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 09:17 -0400
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 09:24 -0700
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 13:01 -0400
                Re: rationality Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-14 19:04 +0000
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 16:20 -0400
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 16:24 -0500
                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-14 09:34 -0700
                Re: rationality Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-12 17:59 -0500
                Re: rationality Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 02:05 -0300
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:23 +0000
                Re: rationality "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 17:05 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 03:15 +0000
                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-14 09:45 -0700
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-13 15:13 -0700
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 20:52 -0400
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 03:29 -0700
                Re: rationality Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 03:45 -0700
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 08:20 -0400
                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-14 09:56 -0700
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 18:21 +0000
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 16:16 -0400
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-14 16:50 -0500
                Re: rationality Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-14 21:59 -0400
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 11:05 -0500
                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-15 06:43 -0400
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 10:58 -0500
                Re: rationality scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-15 16:41 +0000
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 12:24 -0500
                Re: rationality Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-15 17:51 +0000
                Re: rationality Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-15 18:40 +0000
                Re: rationality hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-10-15 07:12 -0700
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 10:48 -0500
                Re: rationality Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-15 12:27 -0400
                Re: rationality Stephen Sprunk <stephen@sprunk.org> - 2015-10-15 11:37 -0500
                Re: rationality "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-15 13:40 -0500

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