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Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices)

From	Bartc <bc@freeuk.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c
Subject	Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices)
Date	2015-10-05 11:24 +0100
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 05/10/2015 08:03, David Brown wrote:
> On 05/10/15 00:42, Keith Thompson wrote:
>> Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> writes:
>> [...]
>>> Linux itself is a nightmare if you're not familiar with it, and I don't
>>> use it often enough to remember the commands.

> But I think most people who
> are interested in where their libraries are, and who know what an ".so"
> library is in the first place, would have little difficulty

I'm interested in where they are, and I know what a .so file is, but it 
didn't help. (ls -R didn't work; the GUI file-manager just went on 
searching for several minutes until I cancelled it.)

To start with, I didn't even know that the file I wanted was called 
libX11.so, or whether such a file actually existed. See, it's not so simple!

(I have a language project that relies on shared libraries to do things 
such as graphics. I vaguely knew about X Windows and that Linux shared 
libraries ended in ".so". If a .so file for X didn't exist, I would have 
to create one by wrapping C around a statically linked version, not an 
appealing prospect.)

> My 70-year old mother in law has never had trouble with Linux.

Perhaps your mother wasn't trying to implement her own language, 
compiler, interpreter, runtime, graphics and GUI libraries, editor, IDE 
and other tools on Linux.

> Your trouble here, Bart, is that you
> have long experience with Windows and are stuck in a rut.  You think the
> "Windows way" is the /only/ right way,

Before I used Windows I'd had nearly nearly 20 years experience of 
assorted OSes, none of which had GUI interfaces. The last 10 was with 
msdos though. None of these, including Windows, try to get in my way as 
much as Linux does.

But if Windows is a rut, then Linux is a considerably wider and deeper one.

> If you don't want to learn anything about Linux, and you don't want to
> use it, that's fine.

I didn't say that, I said I didn't use it often enough to remember what 
I did to solve certain problems, and have to solve them again. I will 
use it eventually but on my terms, ie. I can do things my way not Linux' 
way.

-- 
Bartc

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pure c on smartphones (and other devices) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 08:32 -0700
  pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 09:19 -0700
    Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 09:58 -0700
      Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 10:20 -0700
        Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 10:34 -0700
          Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 10:40 -0700
            Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 11:30 -0700
              Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 11:43 -0700
      Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 10:24 -0700
        Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Johann Klammer <klammerj@NOSPAM.a1.net> - 2015-10-03 20:18 +0200
          Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-03 11:23 -0700
  Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Aleksandar Kuktin <akuktin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 12:31 +0000
    Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 05:45 -0700
      Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 05:53 -0700
        Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-05 10:52 -0700
          Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-05 22:18 +0000
            Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-05 16:16 -0700
              Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-06 00:27 +0100
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-06 10:50 +0100
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-06 10:47 +0000
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-10-06 12:31 +0100
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-06 09:18 -0700
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2015-10-06 18:30 +0200
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-06 10:14 -0700
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Waldek Hebisch <antispam@math.uni.wroc.pl> - 2015-10-09 18:32 +0000
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) supercat@casperkitty.com - 2015-10-09 13:02 -0700
              Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) glen herrmannsfeldt <gah@ugcs.caltech.edu> - 2015-10-06 03:25 +0000
      Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 06:27 -0700
        Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 06:58 -0700
    Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 06:01 -0700
      Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-04 15:33 +0100
        Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 07:58 -0700
          Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 08:13 -0700
        Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-04 15:42 -0700
          Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) David Brown <david.brown@hesbynett.no> - 2015-10-05 09:03 +0200
            Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-05 11:24 +0100
              Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-05 11:27 +0100
            Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Keith Thompson <kst-u@mib.org> - 2015-10-05 09:29 -0700
            Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-06 03:31 -0700
              Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-06 12:29 +0100
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-06 07:18 -0700
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-06 18:33 +0100
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-06 11:07 -0700
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-07 12:53 +0100
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-07 06:33 -0700
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-07 18:21 +0100
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-07 19:10 -0700
  Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Ayan <selfjam@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 13:41 -0400
    Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 14:01 -0700
      Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Ayan <selfjam@gmail.com> - 2015-10-07 23:09 -0400
        Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 02:26 -0700
        Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-08 11:01 +0100
          Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 03:29 -0700
            Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-08 12:19 +0100
              Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 05:42 -0700
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Bartc <bc@freeuk.com> - 2015-10-08 14:41 +0100
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 06:55 -0700
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-08 08:53 -0700
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 09:21 -0700
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) Malcolm McLean <malcolm.mclean5@btinternet.com> - 2015-10-08 09:46 -0700
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 10:07 -0700
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 23:58 -0700
                Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-09 04:41 -0700
              Re: pure c on smartphones (and other devices) "Rick C. Hodgin" <rick.c.hodgin@gmail.com> - 2015-10-08 05:59 -0700

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