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Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN
Date	2015-09-01 14:58 -0500
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On 9/1/2015 2:22 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 1:10:29 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/1/2015 12:07 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 10:47:29 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 9/1/2015 9:26 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/31/2015 10:24 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 6:36:34 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/31/2015 5:08 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 12:09:45 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/31/2015 10:48 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 9:18:55 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/28/2015 7:12 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 11:10:37 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2015 9:08 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 8:58:21 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot individual change in,  motion is an individual change in individual motion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, Ken, it's not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assertion is not a valid argument. No individual motion then No relative motion...why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because relative motion is born from individual motion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assertion is not a valid argument, Ken.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physicists just flat out disagree with you that relative motion is born
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from individual motion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your disagreement carries no weight.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not my disagreement that you should care about.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you don't care that physicists disagree, though, then you'll find
>>>>>>>>>>>> that's a barrier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I move individually I created different relative motions wrt all the objects
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the universe. Only an idiot like you and your SR brothers would claim that relative
>>>>>>>>>>>>> motion is not born from individual motion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Physicists claim that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So you claim otherwise, a retired chemical engineer who can't work
>>>>>>>>>>>> freshman physics problems. So?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So your claim is contradictory to experiments observations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not at all. What is observed is CHANGE in individual motion. But you
>>>>>>>>>> don't observe individual motion. That is precisely the point.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Change in individual motion is called acceleation and it is observable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Acceleration, yes. That's what I said. You can observe acceleration --
>>>>>>>> the CHANGE in individual motion -- but you don't observe individual motion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So? So it means that there is individual motion and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not OBSERVABLE individual motion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that relative motion is born from individual motion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it does not mean that at all. Relative motion is observable.
>>>>>> Individual motion is not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But relative motion is the vector difference of the two individual motions.
>>>>
>>>> No, it isn't. Relative motion to physicists is completely observable and
>>>> definable WITHOUT reference to individual motions .
>>>
>>> There is no relative motion without individual motions.
>>
>> That's simply not true.
>>
>>> ....you and I are standing
>>> side by side--no relative motion between us.
>>
>> And when you and I are standing next to each other, is your individual
>> motion zero?
>
> No both of us are in a the same state of individual motion (absolute motion).

But you have absolutely no idea what that individual motion is.

>>
>>> I started moving individually
>>
>> How do you know you weren't ALREADY moving individually when you were
>> standing next to me?
>
> That's irrelevant....I increased my state of individual motion

How do you know you didn't DECREASE it? Suppose your absolute motion 
before hand was toward the west and you started walking east. Now you 
have DECREASED your absolution motion by walking east.

> and create a
> relative motion between us. That means that our relative motion is born from
> my individual motion.

No, it doesn't. You don't know what your absolute motion is, you don't 
know whether you increased it or decreased it by starting to walk. You 
don't know whether by starting to walk you reduced your absolute motion 
to zero.

None of this matters. You have your own idea of absolute motion, which 
you cannot observe. You have your own idea of relative motion, which 
comes from the absolute motion you can't observe. Physicists have a 
completely different meaning for relative motion which is observable and 
which doesn't rely on any unobservable absolute motion.

Your ideas live in your head only and nobody cares about them.

>>
>>> then
>>> there is relative motion between us.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> It is irrelevant that individual motion is no observed.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ken, if you want to say you have a theory where everything is different,
>>>> where things are defined the way you want them defined, and where
>>>> certain things are true whether anybody else agrees with you or not,
>>>> then you can have your own little solo theory. It will be yours and
>>>> yours alone. It will apply only in your own mind, and not a single other
>>>> soul will care. Happy now?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 06:28 -0700
  Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-17 18:21 -0700
    Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Jason Burchett <jasb@h3ipotal.org> - 2015-08-19 15:12 +0000
    Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN alsor@interia.pl - 2015-08-21 08:27 -0700
  Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 00:50 -0700
    Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 05:34 -0700
      Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 06:20 -0700
        Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 20:07 -0700
        Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-19 01:16 -0700
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-19 05:39 -0700
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-22 18:48 -0700
      Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-19 20:03 +0000
        Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-21 09:34 -0500
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 08:15 -0700
            Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-21 12:10 -0500
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 10:28 -0700
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-21 17:31 +0000
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-21 15:47 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-22 09:10 +0000
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-21 19:35 +0200
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 11:44 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-21 20:59 +0200
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 13:12 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-21 22:24 +0200
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-21 17:56 +0200
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-21 17:19 +0000
            Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-21 21:03 -0500
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-22 09:05 +0000
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-22 20:09 +0200
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-21 21:21 -0700
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-22 07:13 -0700
            Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-22 15:58 +0000
            Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-22 11:05 -0500
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-22 16:19 +0000
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-22 17:09 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN James Birdy <jamesb@barefootwalking.org> - 2015-08-22 22:24 +0000
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-23 08:35 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-23 15:45 +0200
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-23 08:59 +0200
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-22 20:19 +0200
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-23 15:39 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 10:30 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-24 10:47 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:23 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-25 05:19 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-25 08:45 -0400
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 08:18 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-25 06:58 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 09:05 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-25 12:09 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 14:50 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-25 15:58 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 06:58 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-26 09:28 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 11:37 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-26 17:57 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 07:58 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-27 07:08 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-27 07:28 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-27 08:09 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:36 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:40 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-28 09:02 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:55 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-28 17:24 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:10 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-28 17:12 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 08:18 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-31 08:48 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 11:09 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-31 15:08 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 17:36 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-31 20:24 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 08:23 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-01 07:26 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 09:47 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-01 10:07 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 12:10 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 14:58 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-01 14:57 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 17:48 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-26 13:40 -0400
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-24 10:35 -0700

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