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Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN

From Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN
Date 2015-09-01 12:10 -0500
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On 9/1/2015 12:07 PM, kenseto wrote:
> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 10:47:29 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>> On 9/1/2015 9:26 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, September 1, 2015 at 9:23:52 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>> On 8/31/2015 10:24 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 6:36:34 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/31/2015 5:08 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 12:09:45 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/31/2015 10:48 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Monday, August 31, 2015 at 9:18:55 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 8/28/2015 7:12 PM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 11:10:37 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 8/27/2015 9:08 AM, kenseto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, August 27, 2015 at 8:58:21 AM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Idiot individual change in,  motion is an individual change in individual motion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, Ken, it's not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assertion is not a valid argument. No individual motion then No relative motion...why?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because relative motion is born from individual motion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Assertion is not a valid argument, Ken.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Physicists just flat out disagree with you that relative motion is born
>>>>>>>>>>>> from individual motion.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your disagreement carries no weight.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It's not my disagreement that you should care about.
>>>>>>>>>> If you don't care that physicists disagree, though, then you'll find
>>>>>>>>>> that's a barrier.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Whenever I move individually I created different relative motions wrt all the objects
>>>>>>>>>>> in the universe. Only an idiot like you and your SR brothers would claim that relative
>>>>>>>>>>> motion is not born from individual motion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Physicists claim that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you claim otherwise, a retired chemical engineer who can't work
>>>>>>>>>> freshman physics problems. So?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So your claim is contradictory to experiments observations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not at all. What is observed is CHANGE in individual motion. But you
>>>>>>>> don't observe individual motion. That is precisely the point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Change in individual motion is called acceleation and it is observable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Acceleration, yes. That's what I said. You can observe acceleration --
>>>>>> the CHANGE in individual motion -- but you don't observe individual motion.
>>>>>
>>>>> So? So it means that there is individual motion and
>>>>
>>>> Not OBSERVABLE individual motion.
>>>>
>>>>> that relative motion is born from individual motion.
>>>>
>>>> No, it does not mean that at all. Relative motion is observable.
>>>> Individual motion is not.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But relative motion is the vector difference of the two individual motions.
>>
>> No, it isn't. Relative motion to physicists is completely observable and
>> definable WITHOUT reference to individual motions .
>
> There is no relative motion without individual motions.

That's simply not true.

>....you and I are standing
> side by side--no relative motion between us.

And when you and I are standing next to each other, is your individual 
motion zero?

> I started moving individually

How do you know you weren't ALREADY moving individually when you were 
standing next to me?

> then
> there is relative motion between us.
>
>
>>
>>> It is irrelevant that individual motion is no observed.
>>>
>>
>> Ken, if you want to say you have a theory where everything is different,
>> where things are defined the way you want them defined, and where
>> certain things are true whether anybody else agrees with you or not,
>> then you can have your own little solo theory. It will be yours and
>> yours alone. It will apply only in your own mind, and not a single other
>> soul will care. Happy now?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables
>


-- 
Odd Bodkin --- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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    Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Jason Burchett <jasb@h3ipotal.org> - 2015-08-19 15:12 +0000
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      Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-18 06:20 -0700
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        Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Pentcho Valev <pvalev@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-19 01:16 -0700
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              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-21 17:31 +0000
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                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-22 09:10 +0000
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-21 19:35 +0200
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                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-21 20:59 +0200
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-21 13:12 -0700
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          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-21 17:19 +0000
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              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-22 20:09 +0200
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-21 21:21 -0700
          Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-22 07:13 -0700
            Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-22 15:58 +0000
            Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-22 11:05 -0500
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Karolina Vandeweghe <newisa@kerseyhouse.au> - 2015-08-22 16:19 +0000
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-22 17:09 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN James Birdy <jamesb@barefootwalking.org> - 2015-08-22 22:24 +0000
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-23 08:35 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-23 15:45 +0200
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-23 08:59 +0200
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2015-08-22 20:19 +0200
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-23 15:39 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 10:30 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-24 10:47 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-24 13:23 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-25 05:19 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-25 08:45 -0400
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 08:18 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-25 06:58 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 09:05 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-25 12:09 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 14:50 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-25 15:58 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 06:58 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-26 09:28 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-26 11:37 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-26 17:57 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 07:58 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-27 07:08 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-27 07:28 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-27 08:09 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:36 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:40 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-28 09:02 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 11:55 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-28 17:24 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-27 10:10 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-28 17:12 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 08:18 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-31 08:48 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 11:09 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-31 15:08 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 17:36 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-31 20:24 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 08:23 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-01 07:26 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 09:47 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-01 10:07 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 12:10 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-01 12:22 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 14:58 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-09-01 14:57 -0700
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-09-01 17:48 -0500
                Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-26 13:40 -0400
              Re: EINSTEINIANS TOPPLE EINSTEIN kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2015-08-24 10:35 -0700

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