Re: OT: For all the Window haters

From	Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.raspberry-pi
Subject	Re: OT: For all the Window haters
Date	2015-08-09 14:06 +0000
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 11:28:44 +0000, Rob wrote:

> Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 09 Aug 2015 07:22:56 +0000, Rob wrote:
>>
>>> mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> wrote:
>>>> On 08/08/2015 14:31, Rob wrote:
>>>>> I can tell you from experience: there is ZERO chance that this is
>>>>> going to work.  The Linux developers make changes in the driver
>>>>> architecture willy-nilly, and the compile will fail with missing
>>>>> include files, missing defines, differently named structure members,
>>>>> and the like.  It worked on the system of the developer as little as
>>>>> 1 year ago (often 3-4 years), but it is not going to work today.
>>>>
>>>> There's some serious pain you have there.
>>>>
>>>> The driver APIs don't change willy-nilly but do change. It's all
>>>> discussed on the kernel mailing lists but if you don't follow them
>>>> then it can come as a surprise.
>>> 
>>> You are telling me that when I want to buy hardware that requires a
>>> driver, and that says "driver for Linux included", I need to track the
>>> kernel developers to be alerted that they again are breaking things?
>>>
>> If the driver is old, kick the people who wrote it, not the kernel
>> devs. Its part of the driver maintainers job to track kernel changes
>> and update their driver as needed. Thats no different from doing their
>> other jobs, i.e. fixing bugs and updating their drivers as the chips in
>> their hardware change, e.g. everybody whose display hardware used 8250
>> UARTs probably had to upgrade to 16550s at some point.
> 
> Of course it is not surprising that people stop supporting Linux drivers
> when it works that way...  they see writing a driver as part of the
> development of a new piece of hardware, finished when it is released.
> Not as a lifetime commitment to track whatever the Linux kernel folks
> are up to this week.
>
In this case you're talking about hardware where the advertising says 
says on the box 'driver for Linux included', so its *highly* unlikely 
that the developers are unconnected with the hardware maker. Since the 
drivers are part of a product, you're fully entitled to expect that they 
will be covered by the guarantee. 

If the kernel changes during that period, you're entitled to expect that 
a revised driver will be made available for download: that's SOP for 
reputable firms.


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OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-05 21:47 +0100
  Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-08-06 00:58 +0100
    Re: OT: For all the Window haters Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2015-08-06 07:48 +0100
      Re: OT: For all the Window haters David Taylor <david-taylor@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-06 08:43 +0100
        Re: OT: For all the Window haters Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2015-08-06 10:28 +0100
        Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-06 09:57 +0000
        Re: OT: For all the Window haters Brian Reay <no.sp@m.com> - 2015-08-06 10:58 +0100
          Re: OT: For all the Window haters Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2015-08-06 14:55 +0100
            Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-06 19:27 +0100
              Re: OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-06 19:46 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2015-08-06 20:59 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Graham. <me@privicy.net> - 2015-08-07 00:22 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-07 17:12 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters notbob <notbob@nothome.com> - 2015-08-07 16:22 +0000
    Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-06 09:55 +0000
  Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-06 10:38 +0100
  Re: OT: For all the Window haters druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-08-07 08:18 +0100
  Re: OT: For all the Window haters Jim Diamond <Jim.Diamond@deletethis.AcadiaU.ca> - 2015-08-07 18:53 -0300
    Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-08 08:13 +0000
      Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-08 10:01 +0100
      Re: OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-08 14:14 +0100
        Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-08 13:31 +0000
          Re: OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-09 00:14 +0100
            Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-09 07:22 +0000
              Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-09 10:11 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-09 11:28 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-08-09 13:30 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-09 16:00 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-09 18:04 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-09 20:11 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-09 14:06 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-08-09 21:32 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob <nomail@example.com> - 2015-08-09 21:16 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2015-08-10 11:05 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-10 13:51 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-10 17:13 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2015-08-11 11:40 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tony van der Hoff <tony@vanderhoff.org> - 2015-08-11 13:07 +0200
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-11 12:59 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2015-08-15 09:44 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-15 10:07 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Rob Morley <nospam@ntlworld.com> - 2015-08-15 16:13 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-15 19:54 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-15 23:59 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-16 00:13 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Paul <paul@pcserviceselectronics.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 11:02 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-16 12:58 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-16 10:51 -0400
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-16 19:05 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-08-16 23:03 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-16 22:55 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters druck <news@druck.org.uk> - 2015-08-17 21:46 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Mike Fleming <{mike}@tauzero.co.uk> - 2015-08-16 14:26 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2015-08-16 17:02 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> - 2015-08-16 17:02 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-16 19:18 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters "Kerr Mudd-John" <admin@127.0.0.1> - 2015-08-18 19:39 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2015-08-09 15:56 +0100
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Tonton Th <tTh@nowhere.invalid> - 2015-08-09 14:59 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-08-09 16:55 +0000
                Re: OT: For all the Window haters Dennis Lee Bieber <wlfraed@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-09 16:38 -0400
              Re: OT: For all the Window haters mm0fmf <none@mailinator.com> - 2015-08-09 19:55 +0100

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