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Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox

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On 7/25/2015 2:40 PM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
> Odd Bodkin wrote:
>
>> On 7/25/2015 7:40 AM, Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote:
>>> Again, it was not debated that effects of special relativity come into
>>> play even at relative speeds we can observe in everyday life.  Instead,
>>> your use and understanding of “relativistic speed” was debated.  For if
>>> you are saying that everything moves “at relativistic speed”, even
>>> current “man-made interplanetary probes” which move at less than a
>>> thousandth of the speed of light in vacuum (c), then the term
>>> “relativistic speed” does not have a meaning different from “speed”, and
>>> “relativistic speed” can be dropped without loss from the vocabulary of
>>> science, which avoids any duplicates and ambiguities.
>>
>> That is EXACTLY the point.
>
> It is exactly *my* point; not yours.

Well, perhaps we agree then. :)

>
>> As you said, relativistic speeds are those speeds that come into play, and
>> those are speeds that occur in everyday life.
>
> I said the exact opposite.

I quote you above: "Again, it was not debated that effects of special 
relativity come into play even at relative speeds we can observe in 
everyday life." But if this is not what you meant....

> Because in everyday life (that is, the life of
> the *average* person, unaware of relativity) the effects predicted by
> special and general relativity are *present* *but* *not* *significant*,

Alright, then perhaps the boundary is what value you consider to be 
significant. What is the value where you would place the effects at 
being significant?

>  and
> the relative speeds there are *too low* for them to become significant, i.e.
> noticeable by those people (without instruments).
>
>> Therefore there IS NO line of demarcation between "relativistic
>> speed" and "speed".
>
> Utter nonsense.  And I am tired of explaining to you why.
>
>> [tl;dr]
>
>
> PointedEars
>


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Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox udr310515@gmail.com - 2015-07-04 17:19 -0700
  Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-07-04 17:32 -0700
    Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox udr310515@gmail.com - 2015-07-04 17:40 -0700
      Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-07-04 18:19 -0700
        Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2015-07-07 19:18 +0200
        Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-08 08:05 -0500
          Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox Fritz Köhler <fritzk@notrenetwork.net> - 2015-07-25 16:41 +0000
          Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 12:44 -0500
            Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-07-25 21:40 +0200
              Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-07-25 20:30 -0500
              Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox Ignorant Raving Crackpot <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-07-25 23:50 -0700
                Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox Ignorant Raving Crackpot <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 17:24 -0700
                Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2015-07-28 13:33 +0200
              Re: On length contraction and the length contraction paradox Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 09:38 -0500

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