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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy?

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Am 26.07.2015 um 00:00 schrieb M.L.:
> On Sat, 25 Jul 2015 20:18:20 +0000, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
>>    BTW, if you ever find this thing "Europe", please let's know, because
>> we "Europeans" wouldn't have a clue what it is!
>
> My mistake. Thanks for correcting me, as I even included GB in that
> designation of "Europe".
>
> For we Americans, Europe is everything up until it gets fuzzy for us,
> which is, GB, France, Germany, Italy, Spain, and then a few more
> countries that we can never remember such as Switzerland, Portugal,
> Norway, Finland, Sweden, Austria, and then, it gets really fuzzy, where
> Belgium, Ireland, Denmark, The Netherlands, Luxembourg, and a few tiny
> states such at the Vatican and San Marino, and, oh, maybe Malta, but
> probably not.
>
> I can never keep Holland, Denmark, and The Netherlands separate, so, I
> apologize if, without looking it up, I erred.
>
> Europe decidedly stops *before* the deep Warsaw Pact countries though,
> such as the Balkan Peninsula down to Greece and up the Caucasus through
> Poland and the Latvians, Lithuanians, and Estonians.
>
> Anyway, that's "Europe" to me. :)

We have so many different 'Europes', you'll be astonished:

- Europe by geography: Everything from the most western parts of 
Portugal up to the Ural mountains deep in Russia (way behind Moscow). 
Consists of some 40-50 countries if I'm not mistaken (too lazy to try 
and count them). To the north, the arctic is the border, to the south 
basically the Mediterranean sea. Actually, even the (small) 
north-western part of Turkey belongs to Europe in this view.

- Politically:
There are so many different European institutions, that I will give only 
a few:
- European Union (EU): 28 countries are a member, from Portugal to 
Poland, Hungary, Romania, Greece in the East. Finland and Sweden are a 
member, Norway is not. And Switzerland is neither (it's the 'hole in the 
middle').
- Economic and Monetary Union EMU: The countries having the Euro as 
their common currency (19), plus a few others (9). Great Britain e.g. is 
a member of this treaty, but does not have the EUR.
- Schengen-States: If I'm not mistaken about 23 states (mostly from the 
EU, but others like Iceland, Norway and Switzerland are a member too), 
plus 4 future members, plus two cooperating member (GB and IRL).
- European Council: This way older than the EU (already founded in 1949 
as a platform to discuss European topics), members are all states (but 
Belarus, which is listed as a candidate) on the soil of continental 
Europe (including their Asian parts), making it 47 countries in total. 
Plus some countries (US, Canada, Israel, Mexico) which are listed as 
'bystanders' (or what's the correct term for somebody taking part in a 
council, but without voter's rights?)
- And there are quite a number of further institutions based around 
European countries... ;-)

And, most importantly, except for the EU (and, to some extent the EMU), 
none of these organisations have any power for forcing countries to 
change their laws. And even the rights of the EU and the EMU are limited 
(though far-reaching in some regards). It's still a very long way until 
there can be something like the United States of Europe - if it ever 
will come... ;-)

Best regards,

Michael

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